As739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 22 Posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3459 times:
Don't you wish we could get these idiots who call themselves journalist to stop covering aviation? I read the CNN report on the helicopter crash in NYC yesterday. At the begining of the article it says the helicopter clipped a building. The bottom says the cause of the crash was still unkown. Do this I say "What?" I'm not a helicopter pilot, but I am a airplane pilot and last I checked I was told not to clip buildings. What the heck do you think caused it to crash? How do I write the person that wrote this?
Noonerlicious From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 39 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3367 times:
I totally agree, in fact last night as I was flipping through the news channels and I couldnt believe the inaccuracy of news I was hearing. In one report they said that the pilots and reporter were in critical condition and the other news agency says they were in stable condition....hmmm which is it or did they miraculously heal to a stable condition once they arrived at the hostipal? I could go on with all the SLOPPY news reports I hear on a daily basis but that would only take away from what the forum is really about.
Cheers everyone and screw the media....WITHOUT LUBE! BA-HA-HA-HA
Jtamu97 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 658 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3365 times:
The press does make a lot of bogus statements, in that article the statements were a bit misleading. The helicopter was spinning out of control, THEN clipped the building and crashed. The clip of the building actually caused the chopper to crash, but they do not know what caused the initial spin. The video on the CNN website tells it all.
Backfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3309 times:
Before you start criticising the press, take a look at how many discussions on this website are prompted by accurate press reports. I've counted 35 in just a couple of minutes. I wonder how much you'd know about the day-to-day aviation business without the hard work put in by the media. Not much - I'll tell you that for nothing.
If you don't like the aviation coverage on the chewing-gum channels then stop watching them. Go and read a professional aviation publication, put together by people who've spent their lives immersed in the subject and have a vast knowledge of the industry - many stories about which you'll never get the chance to read.
You seem to know all about the job of being an aviation journalist. Any time you think you're good enough to do it, just give me a call. I'll gladly give you a week in my office. You'd soon lose the know-it-all attitude, I can assure you...
Ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 4923 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3166 times:
One of the reasons that reporting is inaccurate when it comes to the medical conditions of injured people is the new privacy regulations. Hospitals can't give out the conditions of patients, so the press has to rely on other sources that may be unreliable.
I agree that too many members of the press know very little about aviation, but won't bother to talk to a pilot or other informed person.
There are some news outlets get aviation stories right. Lester Holt of MSNBC was an Air Force brat; his father was a mechanic. GMA usually gets stories right, because it has John Nance, an AS pilot as its aviation expert. The CBS affiliate in Chicago has a weatherman named Jim Tillman. He is a retired AA pilot.
AATripleSevens From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 22 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3147 times:
We are making a general statement...
As739x: Serious journalists don't have the luxury of speaking or writing in generalizations. Reporters make mistakes all the time and some even fabricate things, but damning an institution like the press because of a few bad apples or a few mistakes is like saying the airline industry is worthless based on one accident.
I second Backfire's comments.
And, by the way, I cringe too when my colleagues confuse terminology, don't apply logic and don't ask the right questions...Especially when they are at a higher level and should know better.
As739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 22 Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3087 times:
My point AA! Don't fabricate stuff. Don't say something and lead an already mislead public anymore. They are the same people who have " Fear of Flying" or "Why Flying is Unsafe" on 20/20 every other week. Tell the people that the cause though unknown may have been when the pilot clipped the building. Now someone thinks that a helicopter just may start spriralling down at any second ( thoug it happend may not have been the cause of this incident). These are the same people who make it seem its their duty to scare people from flying. I don't get it. Maybe my opinion doesn't come across here well cause I'm not a prfessional writer like they are, but when there is a subject I don't know about I keep my mouth shut.
"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
Backfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2988 times:
I agree that too many members of the press know very little about aviation, but won't bother to talk to a pilot or other informed person.
It's an interesting point that Ckfred brings up here.
Without wishing to labour the point - I've spent my life interviewing airline CEOs, attending conferences on complex aviation issues, visting operations centres, maintenance facilities, air traffic control centres and airports, talking to pilots, sitting in cockpits of aircraft as diverse as the DC-3 and the Tu-154, studying air accidents and airprox incidents, learning the difference between TCAS 6.04 and TCAS 7, and reading countless documents, and I'm privileged to be on good terms with a lot of powerful and well-known figures in the industry.
But how many aviation professionals have I seen in my office, learning about the job of a journalist? I could probably count them on one hand.
Rev3oh2 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 141 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2938 times:
As a radio journalist with a lifelong interest in aviation, I can vouch for the fact that many in the profession, especially on the broadcasting side, cover aviation the same way they cover everything else....they come into a particular story or event knowing virtually nothing and they try to learn quickly. This is not an excuse for sloppy reporting, but it might help explain some of the wacky stuff that occasionally goes out on the air.
As with everything else in life, the more one knows about something, the more intelligently one is able to speak, write or report on the subject. I'm not an "expert" on aviation, but I do know a lot more about the subject than a lot of my colleagues, and generally try to edit the aviation stories so that we're able to avoid the kinds of mistake some on this thread have mentioned.
...let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us.
Ua777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 12 Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2916 times:
For journalists it's about getting the story first. When an WNBC heli. Loses it's router and smashes into the middle of NYC I think I would call it first even if I don't know what's going on. Esp. after 9/11 this stuff is important. Aviation has changed sense 9/11 and b/c it still is a threat they will cover it even if there is nothing to cover. When we look for info on aviation we look to these people and whoever has it first will get the highest ratings (which is priority #2). I say let them cover it.
You also have to remember that the people here on a.net are a lot more knowledgeable with aviation. So when the 737 is escorted by fighter jets but is written as a 744 the average person could care less let alone know the difference. I hate to admit it but those who write here on these forums will stress every last detail in every last story and this is why when a journalist writes a half ass article to just get it out we sit back and think "what the hell is this guy saying" when really the business guy sitting in his office (some of us here too) is saying "wow a jet is escorted by fighter jets" or "a helicopter crashed in NYC" not "WOW a WN 737-7H4 reg. N448WN was escorted by two F14's into LAX on 25R at 11:23 with winds to the west at 20kts."
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12679 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2903 times:
One of the problems with news coverage today, is that people want to know everything, including the causes or blame NOW, not tomorrow, or next month. This is further compounded by the intense time deadlines, nanosecond news cycles and competition by stations and reporters to get the story 1st, not necessarly right. There was confusion as to that chopper crash in NYC 5/4/04, as to injuries on the chopper and on the ground. Remember the differening stories as to the cause and what people saw when AA587 went down 11/11/01. Here, where another news chopper was able to get pictures of it going down and crashing, is amazing. It got that station a lot of publicity, attention, ratings #'s but also helps us to understand what the pilot went through and may help with the investigation.
Backfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2824 times:
Part of the problem is with crap stations like CNN - there simply isn't enough solid news, available immediately to hand, to fill a 24-hour continuous TV broadcast - so you end up with constant repeats, filler material, guesswork, speculation, and all the other tripe that CNN spits out.
I haven't yet worked out what CNN is doing that a far less ambitious broadcaster couldn't do at least as well.
Redngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 47 Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2749 times:
Dear Media Outlets,
It has come to our attention at Airliners.net that we know more about aviation than some of your so-called "aviation experts." However, we rely on much of your reporting to prompt our discussions, and because of the difficulty of finding accurate reports, many of our discussions devolve into "s/he doesn't know what s/he's talking about" when referring to your experts.
In order to remedy this situation, we offer ourselves as replacement hires for your aviation experts. We promise to know everything there is about an aircraft, the company that owns and/or operates it, and the entire history of disasters and mishaps associated with the aircraft and company. Furthermore, we promise our expert ability to immediately and precisely identify the make, model, registration number, and manufacturer's serial/line number of any aircraft involved, plus all possible causes and the single factor responsible for the accident within five minutes of viewing the usual shaky, grainy video taken in less-than-optimal atmospheric and lighting conditions, completely unfazed by the drama, shock and/or horror unfolding in front of us.
NOBODY at A.net
Go ahead, try to be more accurate. We can make fun of them as much as we want, but it's a difficult job no matter what.
Blackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1892 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2695 times:
That helicopter just happened to be a "news" helicopter. They usually carry a reporter and cameraman aboard. They were out trying to bring us some noteworthy news, and they in turn became the news.
The pilot was indeed trying to land on the taller of the two buildings, but in his out-of-control craft, he "clipped" that building and came to rest on the building next door.
And as for CNN reporters, try and do the splendid job Christian Amapour does at the locations she does them from. Remember that slogan from the sixties
"If you think cops are pigs, the next time you get in trouble, call a hippie." Well if you wanted some news from Iraq, would you go? I don't think so.
Apologies if I spelled Chrtians name incorrectly.
Cameras shoot pictures. Guns shoot people. They have the guns.
AATripleSevens From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 22 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2665 times:
What Backfire is speaking of is "Feeding the Beast," meaning that the demand for information--ANY information--is so great, and the broadcast news market is so competitive that if any news organization were to wait--even just for a few minutes--to let a story develop before reporting what it knows it risks losing a viewer to a competitor. Most viewers have no allegiance to any particular news outlet so the pressure is on to constantly tease the viewer with new info (even if there is none) and especially new images, theories and speculation.
I agree there is a lot of crap on CNN, but I think they do a good enough job overall.
Redngold--thanks for your summation. Being a journalist can be a thankless job. Like being a pilot, if you screw up EVERYONE knows (though usually without the threat of mass carnage).
FYI--One reason I recently joined A.net is because I nearly lost my head when one of my staffers filed a story that referred to Boeing as being "Seattle-based" and, worse yet, "one of the world's biggest airlines." D'oh!
Thrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2686 posts, RR: 10 Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2441 times:
We can wish the press would stop covering, but in the U.S. it is their constitutional right (freedom of the press). Don't know about other countries, but I would assume most apply the same rules. Consitutional amendments, anyone?