UA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3358 times:
There was a post a while back questioning United's "use of statistics" in its advertising claim that it is the US's largest international airline...
Well, the data for all the major US carriers for 2004 is in... and the top two US international airlines, as measured by the industry-standard metric, RPMs:
1. United 13,217,878
2. American 12,591,601
This is for FYI purposes only and in no way infers:
(i) More international traffic means more profitability
(ii) More international traffic means one airline is better
(iii) United's ATSB loan should be approved based on this merit
The purpose of this post is to simply validate the claim. The advertising is not false.
777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2975 times:
We just don't have the capacity, we might fly to 100+ cities outside the United States, but most are with ERJs, 737s, and 757s, so we will never come close as far as ASM's, especially with airlines like United flying 10 and 12 777s a day into London, 747s across the Pacific, and three or four major international gateways with multiple daily widebody longhaul flights. Heck, UA has more 777s than we have all our widebodies combined!
Still, our Newark hub is the most complete single-airline international gateway in the nation, and we have an extensive Latin American operation out of Houston, so even with smaller equipment and fewer frequencies, we still do a pretty damn good job.
I see your point about UA having more international RPMs, but again that's a base of the relative distances involved, since UA's international flights cover a longer duration than AA's do (AA's being primarily to Latin America/Europe and UA's are primarily to Europe and Asia).
So UA gets an asterisk at best when declaring them the "largest." They're really not - they just carry people FURTHER internationally.
[Edited 2004-05-06 21:23:44]
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UA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2486 times:
Never said UA was a larger carrier overall, just that their advertising claim as being "America's largest *international* carrier" is correct...
The whole point about flying longer distances in relating to size is economically correct. The longer the flight, the more opportunity cost for being able to operating more frequencies or shorter flights.
This is why when judging by overall size the RPM/RPK is used, as you just showed. When dividing traffic into international/domestic or regions, it wouldn't make sense to rely on any other measure of size, would it?
Please refer to the title of the post
United really IS larger internationally. If you fly more international RPMs, you are larger. So what if it is because your international stage lengths are longer? You're still larger by the industry standard measure.
OB1783P From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2487 times:
That reminds me, when I was a kid, Air France used to pride itself on having the "largest route network" of any airline in the world. I had a neat little blue plastic flight bag with that written on it.
If it means what I think it means (if you fly CDG-JFK five times a day, it counts as one, if you fly CDG-CAY once a week, it counts as one...), which airline holds the title today? Whose route map uses the most ink?
Could it STILL be AF?
I've flown thousands of miles and I can tell you it's a lot safer than crossing the street!