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The End Of A Monopoly For CM And TA  
User currently offlineTaca From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2013, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5692 times:

According with some news delivered today, the monopoly for flights between Central America of Copa Airlines and Taca Group, is going to an end. West Caribbean (Colombian based) and Aeropostal (Venezuelan) announced new flights between Central American countries.

Even more, Aeropostal and Sol Air also announced in Honduras a new strategic alliance to compete with CM and TA.

According with my point of view, West Caribbean (using small aircraft for only 43 passengers) nor Aeropostal with an a very old fleet, can compete with the brand new 737 of CM and A319 and A320 of TA, and their experience and background of both.

May I know your opinion?

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User currently offline4jaded From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5617 times:

I really don't think CM and TA have anything to worry about. They are both really good carriers.

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7523 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5567 times:

Wouldn't it be a duopoly? Monopoly implies the existence of only one dominant participant in a determined market.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2496 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5544 times:


I don't think there's anything to worry about either.

West Caribbean has been flying for quite a while now to both Panama and Costa Rica from Colombia, without affecting CM's loads that much; considering that they offer pretty competitive fares.


SOUTHAMERICA



User currently offlineTaca From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2013, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5505 times:

Wouldn't it be a duopoly? Monopoly implies the existence of only one dominant participant in a determined market.

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Your 100% right Eddie. Sorry was my mistake!

Whatever it was, a Monopoly or Duopoly(?) it's getting to an end. That's for sure.


User currently offlineAer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1044 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5460 times:

EddieDude,

actually it is called an oligopoly in those cases.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7523 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5439 times:

The Greek root oligos- means "a few" while duos- means two. Thus, a duopoly.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineAer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1044 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5409 times:

I know it sounds right with the etymological roots of the words; but in business, what I study, oligopoly (oligopolio) is the right term for these cases. Merriam-Websters dictionary states "a market situation in which each of a few producers affects but does not control the market."


nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7523 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5379 times:

As far as I know, the term oligopoly can be applied, as you insist, to markets in which there are two participants, but the term duopoly is way more used under such circumstances. If you take a look at court opinions, treatises, case studies, law school text books and case books, law journals and other sources of authoritative information on legal matters, you will find that the term duopoly is more frequently used to describe such markets than the term oligopoly, which term is rather applied to markets in which more than two participants exert control. FYI, follow this link to a paper published in NYU's Journal of Industrial Economics. It is only an example of how economists (both writers of the paper are members of the faculty of the departments of economics of very renowned international universities) and lawyers tend to use, on a regular basis, the term duopoly for markets in which there are two participants that have a dominant position: http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~lcabral/papers/JIE%201997.pdf. Like this paper, you will find many, many more applications of the word duopoly to such markets. Too bad I do not have here at home my notes, materials and casebook from the Antitrust Law course that I took while pursuing my LL.M. degree at the University of Chicago Law School. I could quote portions of court opinions and of text books using this term.

[Edited 2004-05-08 20:02:01]


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5357 times:

Howdy folks, EddieDude is very right.

I´ve just checked with a friend of mine, who is deep into commercial legal affairs, and he told me that the right term to be used in the CM/TA case should be:

DUOPOLY.

He briefly defines it as follow:

Trade of goods or a particular service held by only two companies or organizations.

Best regards



No matter how you fly...just never get your wings clipped !
User currently offlineCptGirmayTesfa From Peru, joined Oct 2003, 406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5307 times:

I word from Copa's hub:
I think it will be hard to really compete with Copa and Taca if a newcomer cannot come up with at least daily flights between the Central American capitals. Also, Aeropostal has a bad image here because of their very old planes.
But on the positive side: the market is promising, Taca and Copa flights are well filled and are very profitable. There is even such a demand that Taca still manages to fly around here, even though Copa Airlines is far better than Taca in terms of service.


User currently offlineTaca From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2013, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5284 times:

"There is even such a demand that Taca still manages to fly around here, even though Copa Airlines is far better than Taca in terms of service."

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I don't want to transform this forum into a battle field. But I strongly disagree with this statement.

CM service is basically as good as TA. Nevertheless. TA has more destinations and frequencies than CM. Even more, Taca's fleet is as new as CM, but greater. TA shares is basically own by Central American people (specially Kriete family, a Salvadoran family) among some other minor shareholders. So, TA (Transportes Aereos del Continente Americano, ex Transportes Aereos Centroamericanos) is 100% owned by Central American people vs. CM that practically belongs to CO (at least 49% of it's capital).



User currently offlineTaca From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2013, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5264 times:

Just one addition to my previous post. TA fleet is not just greater in terms of diversity but bigger than CM.

Thanks


User currently offlineCptGirmayTesfa From Peru, joined Oct 2003, 406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5235 times:

Me and my colleagues here avoid Taca wherever possible; fortunately Copa is opening more routes within CAM, like SJO-TGU. I used to be stationed in Costa Rica, now I moved to Panama, happy as Copa has more options from here than from SJO  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Taca has that Copa has not:
*uncomfortable departure times due to their morning hub system in SAL (so going out towards SAL you have to be very early!)
*freaking low on-board temperature
*The nasty habit of not distributing headphones on flights shorter than 2 hours (ie. most C-Am flights), but instead providing a loud-volume entertainment (rock music and annoying ads included) through the speakers.
*No food (except for some lousy peanuts or similar).

Taca?? Brrrrrrr
Take Another Carrier Amigo!!


User currently offlineTaca From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2013, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5217 times:

I can say exactly the same about myself and friends that avoid CM.

TA has three major hubs: SAL, SJO and LIM instead just one as CM in PTY.

*Freaking low on-board temperature? Come on! You must be joking... Give me a better excuse!
*"Nasty habit..." "Loud volume..." "Rock music..." And you hear the fifth symphony from Beethoven in a 30 minutes flight? In what world do you live?
*What do you get with CM during 55 minutes flight from SJO to PTY at 7 a.m.?
A lobster? Just a lousy peanuts man.

As I told you TA is a Central American product. CM is just a part of CO.

I will not say "CM= brrrrrrrrr". It will be a totally lack of respect, to you and to CM people. But please, open your eyes man!!!!!!!!!



User currently offlineCptGirmayTesfa From Peru, joined Oct 2003, 406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5207 times:

Well brrrrr is an expression of feeling cold (refer to my earlier comment on on-board temperature) in my language and I thought in others too, sorry if I upset you on that one.

Well I don't care who owns the airline, I care about the service!

*yes, it is always very cold
*Rock or Beethoven... whatever, that's not the point. Provide earphones for those who want to listen to what they like, or keep the system shut. It's that simple.
*Taca from PTY goes at 6am. The afternoon prop flight is unreliable as it is frequently cancelled. TGU departure same problem. MEX departures are so early, not even to consider! By the way, Copa has 3 flights daily between SJO and PTY, so easy to avoid the 7am one.
*Copa has decent food on all flights; on the shortest flights it is at least a warm sandwich.

I hope for Taca that not too many people open their eyes indeed  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

PS many ticos in SJO say the same, the former LACSA was much better!


User currently offlineTaca From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2013, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5195 times:

We definitely agree to disagree.

I really didn't understand the "brrrrrrrrr". Now I do and I apologize!

As long as I know those three daily flights are code shared with TA (pls correct me if I am wrong).

**Taca from PTY goes at 6am.** And Copa from SCL to PTY departs at 3:00 a.m. or so, and the service (pls understand "the food", nothing against the F/As) is simply uneatable. I really don't understand what do you mean by "decent food" or if you are insinuating that TA's food is "not decent". All depends on what you understand by "decent".

I don't work for any, I repeat, any airline in this world. I'm just a professional who travel for business or pleasure. I don't know if it's your case. But I always try to keep both eyes wide open to see the reality and the truth and mine about TA and CM is very different as yours. That's for sure!

By the way, CM owns me the "warm" sandwich. I never ever see one between SJO-PTY and viceversa.





User currently offlineCptGirmayTesfa From Peru, joined Oct 2003, 406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5177 times:

CM and TA only code-share on MGA-SAL: an afternoon CM flight that TA was interested in too. I take that flight often as it is the only way to get into SAL and get a connection without having to weak up at 5am.

I agree 100% that CM's flights from Santiago is terrible. But it's the only CM flight in the entire system that has a very bad schedule. Anyway, we were talking about Central America.

SJO-PTY on CM: morning flight: warm sandwich, filled with ham and cheese
afternoon flights: cold ham and cheese sandwich with potato crisps and chocolate bar.
evening flights: breadsticks with cheese, raisins and chocolate bar.
I agree that if you don't like cheese you are better off with the TA peanuts.
I have flown the route zillion times, and it's really like that! I suppose you had an exceptional CM flight.

I agree on our disagreements. I can only add that I am at least someone from a third country....



User currently offlineTaca From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2013, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5170 times:

You allow me to talk about the SCL-PTY route when you talked about MEX (that is not Central America) in your reply #15.

You are definitely not the only one who fly the route zillion(?) of times, maybe the only Ethiopian in Panama, but for sure the only non Panamanian citizen who memorized Copa's "menu". Sounds strange that you first state that "Copa has decent food on all flights; on the shortest flights it is at least a warm sandwich." (See reply 15). And after you say that "afternoon flights: cold ham and cheese sandwich with potato crisps and chocolate bar" (so the "warm" sandwich became "cold" minutes later). (See reply 17). That's why I told you to keep your eyes wide open, not only to memorize a menu, but to see what you previously wrote.

By the way, your supposition about my CM flights (yes, with an "s", in plural) were not exceptional, not even good. That's the reason why I prefer TACA!

I don't understand what do you exactly mean with your last statement, but I know that you're Ethiopian (the only one in Panama according with you), that you live (or are based) in Panama, so at least, you have a Panamanian Residency. And I'm a proud Tico and a loyal TACA customer!

Cheers  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

P.S. I do love cheese. You should ever try sometime the Costarican one!


User currently offlineCptGirmayTesfa From Peru, joined Oct 2003, 406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5150 times:

Sorry about Mexico, you are right.

Food: You are right in your counter attacks; but I think hard to deny that CM's food as listed is better than the TA mani.....

What I mean with my last statement: I am neither Panamese nor Costarican, so it seems to me at I am more objective! Reading your last message and your signature I suspect that the proud factor plays a role in your case.

I have lived for three years in your country too, by the way. Now I am stationed in Panama, but will move later this year to Peru.

Sorry, never tried the Turrialba....


User currently offlineTaca From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2013, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5121 times:

"I am neither Panamese nor Costarican, so it seems to me at I am more objective! Reading your last message and your signature I suspect that the proud factor plays a role in your case".
CptGirmayTesfa
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I have to say that your obsession about the mani (peanuts) and the cold and warm sandwiches is really weird. The last peanut I saw in Taca was last Monday (May 3rd., 2004), flight 630 from CCS to SJO, and was just the beginning of an exquisite complete hot meal, dessert and full bar service.

By the way, I really don't see anything wrong with the peanuts, widely served by CO which owns CM (CM serve "papitas" instead of "mani").

What a coincidence, the salad served yesterday in a meeting has Turrialba, and nobody complained... Maybe next time we will try an Ethiopian recipe.

About my signature it's very simple, and nothing new: I'm a proud customer of TA for more than 10 years, and loyal to my principles. You may see dozens of signatures like mine in airliners.net from people who is also loyal to an specific airline, and don't work for it! Just check them!

Hope you'll enjoy your next station (LIM), as well as you do with CM's warm and cold sandwiches. A city where TA has, among two others, a hub.

Instead of those insipid sandwiches try a ceviche de corvina or a chupe!

Cheers

 Smile





User currently offlineLan_Fanatic From Chile, joined Sep 2001, 1071 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5103 times:

Oh, central american fight...nice!... LOL

I have a question. Are Taca and Copa succesful in routes to deep South America (SCL,EZE,GRU)?? I don't know about Taca, but as far as I know Copa is succesful. And if so, why other airlines like Lan, Aerolineas Argentinas or Varig don't fly to SJO or PTY???


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7523 posts, RR: 43
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5089 times:

Lan_Fanatic, now that you mention that LA does not fly to PTY, do you know if LA's Peruvian affiliate LP flies to PTY?

I find it strange that the big South American carriers neglect Central America. I guess the reason why CM is successful to EZE, GRU and SCL is because it has no competition from AR, RG, JJ and LA. If these carriers flew to PTY they would probably do so with widebody airplanes and that would put CM in disadvantage (I believe PTY-EZE in a 737 must be somewhat uncomfortable).



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineTaca From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2013, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5084 times:

Lan_Fanatic

What concerns about TA, South American routes are profitable for the biggest Central American Airline. It has daily flights to Bogota, Caracas, Quito, Guayaquil, Lima (where TA has one of three Hubs), Cuzco, La Paz, Santa Cruz, Santiago, Sao Paulo and Buenos Aires. Routes to deep South America destinations, operated through Taca Peru, part of Grupo Taca, and based in Lima use A319 for 120 passengers and A320 for 150 passengers.

Upper South America destinations (like BOG and CCS) are operated daily from SJO and SAL (by TA or LR).

I think it's important to state that for example CCS it's a very profitable route for TA (operated by LR) since 9/11 incident, for people flying to Europe and connecting with AZ, AF, LH and IB, trying to avoid MIA.

Once in the past Varig flew to SJO using a sharing code with LR (before TA begins as Grupo Taca), but they dropped it soon. Avianca, Sam and Aces did the same until Aces filed for bankruptcy.

I really don't think that Central America is profitable for Lan, Varig or Aerolineas Argentinas, since that routes (from and to Central America) are well covered by TA and CM.

(I miss LAN, the best Latin American Airline, and like its new livery)!


User currently offlineLan_Fanatic From Chile, joined Sep 2001, 1071 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5039 times:

That is what I don't get.
Maybe with one airline for each route (from SJO and PTY) is enough. But how come the southern cone airlines never realized that this routes would be succesful? Or is it because of the connecting posssibilities TA and CM offer? At least this two airlines offer much cheaper fares to MIA as an example, than Lan from SCL


25 Taca : TA and CM really don't have "cheaper" fares for routes from SCL to MIA, but they do offer from time to time special fares during the year (you may che
26 Taca : Sorry, I forget to mention America West, US Airways and Delta with daily flights to and from SJO, that adds opportunities to connect with a direct fli
27 Jjjm : Well Well, i normally don´t reply but here i go... I flown many times on TACA, and I can say they are a great small Airline... They have a decent web
28 Post contains images Taca : Jjjm Thank you very much for your comment! I'll appreciate it!
29 Copa737 : Taca, For your info, Copa Airlines was named the best airline in Central America, Mexico and the Caribbean, by SkyTrax, an English market-survey compa
30 CptGirmayTesfa : I wouldn't be too enthusiastic taking Taca from the Southern Cone to Central America / Caribbean / US, apart from the reasons I gave above. Look at th
31 EddieDude : Felipe, which Mexican destinations will be started by CM? They are already flying to MEX and CUN, so I can only think of MTY. Perhaps GDL too? Or an a
32 CptGirmayTesfa : Rumors here are about Monterey, perhaps Copa737 can confirm. BTW I wonder how Copa can add more destinations as at the 'hub times' at PTY, all gates s
33 Copa737 : Yes, many people says that Monterrey could be a new Copa destination, but only the time will tell us. Well, Panama is working hard to get a new Tocume
34 Post contains images Taca : "For your info, Copa Airlines was named the best airline in Central America, Mexico and the Caribbean, by SkyTrax, an English market-survey company. T
35 Luisca : it could be another leisure route, like puerto vallarta or acapulco. The new T2 at Tocumen will be done by 2007, the remodeling of the old terminal by
36 MaverickM11 : How can it be a monopoly, or duopoly, or oligoply, when TA isn't even one company, but rather a group of companies that seek to merge into one entity?
37 Taca : "TACA (the user not the airline) seems to love emphazizing that copa is partially owned by CO, but forgets that he doesnt have a national airline, lik
38 MaverickM11 : "By the way, at what time arrive CM to SCL?" 0245 local, and departs for PTY at 0345
39 Post contains links Copa737 : Taca, Please visit http://www.airlinequality.com/2004/group_results.htm for the awards results. It's not the first time Copa receive an award. I haven
40 Taca : "The Hub of the Americas have also received awards. I haven't heard the same from El Salvador, Lima or San Jose. Sorry, but the passengers have the fi
41 CptGirmayTesfa : Well as the discussion started, TA and CM will face some more competition, so let's see how many clients stay loyal! I am skeptical though, it seems t
42 CptGirmayTesfa : I guess SANSA is still Costarican?
43 EddieDude : I have never been on a CM or a TA flight before. That said, I have the impression that CM has been able to exploit PTY's fabulous location in order to
44 Taca : "I guess SANSA is still Costarican?" CptGirmayTesfa ------------------------------- It is. But part of Grupo Taca. The company "Servicios Aereos Nacio
45 Copa737 : Panama had the category 1 years before Peru, Costa Rica and El Salvador, that's for sure. Panama lost it in 2001 and in 2004 we got it back. Most of t
46 Taca : "once daily to SJO using a 752" Eddie: They are using an A320, not a 752!
47 EddieDude : Oh, thanks for the correction Taca, I must then throw away my January MX timetable and get a new one. But they flew a 752 to SJO at some point, didn't
48 Taca : Absolutely! But apparently they change the a/c from time to time.
49 LatinAviation : In my opinion, you guys are arguing over the petty stuff. Can't you see how far both TA and CM have come over the past decade, if not more? When Feder
50 Post contains images Taca : "Panama had the category 1 years before Peru, Costa Rica and El Salvador, that's for sure. Panama lost it in 2001 and in 2004 we got it back. Most of
51 Luisca : I just have to point out that at the current rate of growth, COPA will surpass TACA in the next 5 years, maybe sooner if the avianca deal goes down as
52 Post contains images Taca : "I just have to point out that at the current rate of growth, COPA will surpass TACA in the next 5 years, maybe sooner if the avianca(sic) deal goes d
53 Taca : "COPA will surpass TACA in the next 5 years..." Luisca --------------------------------------------------- So you are expressly accepting that TA is b
54 Luisca : I would have to be a moron not to recognize that TACA fleetwise, routnetwork wise and Passanger number wise is larger than COPA, but at the rate that
55 Copa737 : Taca, Well, not the biggest airlines are the best. If you think so you probably are very far from the reality. In clear terms Taca is bigger than Copa
56 Mt99 : Population numbers dont mean anything. Panama is has greater traffic due to Canal Activities, being a Finance center and the per capita income is grea
57 Post contains images Taca : "COPA does not disclose finnancial(sic) information to the public becouse(sic) it is a privatly(sic) held company. But i(sic) would not be surprised i
58 Post contains images Copa737 : I think you didn't get my point. I didn't say that a small country can't have a great airline. Of course they can. But Swizerland and Singapore are tw
59 EAL757 : I'd fly AA down to any of those places before I'd ever even think about getting on Taca or the others. ...especially into Tegucigalpa--the last airlin
60 Luisca : Panamanian law doesnt require airlines to disclose finnancial information. Copa is a panamanian company
61 Taca : "I'd fly AA down to any of those places before I'd ever even think about getting on Taca or the others. ...especially into Tegucigalpa--the last airli
62 Taca : "Well, I think you are very intelligent to judge that, do you think that the Copa financial situation is bad? hahaha please..."Copa737 ---------------
63 Taca : "Panamanian law doesnt(sic) require airlines to disclose finnancial(sic) information. Copa is a panamanian(sic) company"Luisca -----------------------
64 Copa737 : "So if it is some kind of a secret, how do you know that the CM financial situation is as good as you state ?" Hey! again, do you think the Copa finan
65 Taca : "Hey! again, do you think the Copa financial situation is bad???? Judge by yourself. Use your common sense."Copa737 ----------------------------------
66 Taca : "I'd fly AA down to any of those places before I'd ever even think about getting on Taca or the others. ...especially into Tegucigalpa--the last airli
67 Taca : " When Federico Bloch started with Taca in the late '70s they operated three 737s. That's it. They've since been able to integrate many of Central Ame
68 Post contains images 4jaded : Well this thread started out very slow and did not take off right away but having revisted it I see that we are in the death throws of debate. Nothing
69 Luisca : TACA I am a student an Aviation Adiministration with flight option at Universidad Tecnologica de Panama ( a program that is in partnership with FIT an
70 Post contains images Taca : "I am a student an(sic) Aviation Adiministration(sic) with flight option at Universidad Tecnologica(sic) de Panama(sic) ( a program that is in partner
71 Luisca : you can believe what ever you whant. It was a course on preparing finnancial statementes and they let us see it. but we couldnt keep the paper. Copa73
72 Post contains images Taca : "you can believe what ever you whant(sic). It was a course on preparing finnancial(sic) statementes(sic) and they let us see it. but(sic) we couldnt(s
73 Copaair737 : A bit off topic, but will TA ever expand service to SFO from maybe GUA or SJO? And will we ever see CM start SFO service? I have flown both, and they
74 Taca : "A bit off topic, but will TA ever expand service to SFO from maybe GUA or SJO? And will we ever see CM start SFO service? I have flown both, and they
75 Luisca : I realy dont see copa expanding to SFO anytime soon. they are right now concentrating on adding frequencies to all their routes, expanding services in
76 Taca : "...and the purchase of Avianca is the N°1 priority right now" It's CO not CM priority. In the event that the Judge who is in charge of AV bankruptcy
77 Taca : "...Copa737 can coroborate(sic) that i(sic) am a student pilot at UTP" Why does he (Copa737) can do that? Is he your father or the one who pays for yo
78 LVZXV : The only TA branch to serve EZE is the Peruvian one from LIM, on one of Latin America's most fiercely competitive routes, currently fought out between
79 Taca : "...Asides CM's daily service from PTY, there are no airlines linking EZE with Central America from either end. I really don't think there's much dema
80 EddieDude : TA will probably suffer with the LIM-MEX fligths though. LP has entered the market and is doing 4 weekly flights on a 762ER. AM is increasing frequenc
81 Taca : Eddie, I agree with you, but try to book a TA flight on that route within the next 8 to 12 weeks? I am not really afraid of LP, I trust TA and people
82 SOUTHAMERICA : I equally like both companies. CM has the widest operation in Colombia of all foreign carriers, serving 5 destinations (Bogota, Medellin, Cali, Barra
83 EddieDude : Thanks a lot Taca, I really enjoy the forums and, as you can see, all threads involving Latin America. Is the AM/TA codeshare in the MEx-LIM route a g
84 Post contains images Taca : "Is the AM/TA codeshare in the MEx-LIM route a good deal for both of them? In other words does TA get a lot of AM pax? TA is close to AA as I understa
85 EddieDude : You are probably right about the future of the AM/TA codeshare. It's just that lately airline alliances look like college dromitory buildings. Everybo
86 Post contains images Copa737 : "Taca Peru is a new airline that belongs to Grupo Taca. It's not the result of the adquisition of any Peruvian airline. All shares of Taca Peru belong
87 Post contains images Taca : "Oh well, the beginning of Taca Peru wasn't the best at all. I invite you to investigate more about how Taca Peru began their operations in Peru and y
88 Post contains images Taca : "On another subject, what happened to AeroPerú's airplanes (the ones it owned), slots, routes and other assets. Did LANPerú, AeroContinente and TACA
89 Post contains links and images Copa737 : Mr. Taca, I never ever thought that you have such a morbid mind!!!!!!! Mr. Copa737: I thought that we were discussing under the rules of a "fair play"
90 Post contains images Taca : Copa737 I carefully red the four links you gave in your previous response (they are basically the same). What an actual information you have Sir!!!!!!
91 Copa737 : Well Well, I knew you are going to say this. "And nothing, but nothing stated there, has been proved three (3) years later. Definitely this is another
92 Post contains images Taca : Since you apparently like the trash of agenciaperu.com, I strongly recommend you to read: http://www.agenciaperu.com/reportes/2004/ene/agencias.htm "W
93 Copa737 : Well, nothing to do with people that live in the world of fantasy. By the way, very nice to talk to you. I don't even know your name but well, have a
94 Post contains images Taca : "Well, that is the reason because Latin America is like it is right now. Things like this happens every single day and nothing happens, nobody goes to
95 Copa737 : "By the way, is Manuel Antonio Noriega still in the Sunshine State?" Yes it is. But maybe you should go to one of your respected sources of informatio
96 CptGirmayTesfa : Thanks for the great info Copa737. I was wondering if you had more info on CM's planned expansions of current routes!
97 Post contains images Taca : "Yes it is". Copa737 --------------------------------------- The correct answer is: "Yes, he is". And I already knew it. -----------------------------
98 Post contains images Taca : "Well, nothing to do with people that live in the world of fantasy. By the way, very nice to talk to you. I don't even know your name but well, have a
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