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Boeing Hopes China Becomes 2nd B7E7 Customer  
User currently offlineCarnoc From China, joined Oct 2001, 875 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2579 times:

Saw several news reports through Chinese media (also got a few emails from friends who have close relations with Boeing China) saying that Boeing is now in serious talks with a number of China-based carriers, namely Air China, China Eastern, China Southern, Hainan Airlines, Shanghai Airlines & Xiamen Airlines.

News reports were also quoted as a Boeing senior official saying that it is highly likely that Chinese carriers may put a joint order later this year, and it is possible that the total value of this order is going to exceed the value of the first B7E7 order from the Japanese carrier - ANA.

Cheers.

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User currently offlineCarnoc From China, joined Oct 2001, 875 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2500 times:

Also, in order to promote B7E7 aircraft on Chinese mainland, Boeing China has redesigned its official website with a B7E7 picture as the background and so on. The URL of Boeing China's official website is http://www.boeingchina.com

Best Regards.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 915 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2455 times:

From every indication, the 7E7 will sell like hot-cakes. One Boeing offical was quoted as to saying he believed there would be several hundred firm orders would be placed before EOS! Keep in mind that, to date, only 260 A330-200 and 210 A330-300 have been ordered.

Can we expect the 7E7 to outsell the A330-300 before 2008? Regardless, I think it is safe to say the 7E7 will beat the 777 as the fastest selling widebody in history.


User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2349 times:

Here's an interesting article claiming that the ANA order might cause a
cascade of orders from other customers (Singapore Airlines, Malaysia Airlines, Korean Air, and Thai Airways are apparently candidates):

http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/channel_awst_story.jsp?id=news/05034wna.xml

(apologies if this has been posted before...)

Tony



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User currently offlineUaord From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2272 times:

Does anyone have a copy or did they read an article from Financial Times last week about ANA's order for the 7E7? from what I understand, the actual ANA order is not as impressive as boeing claims, ANA has multiple termination rights and the rights to significantly reducte their order etc....


User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

Keep in mind that, to date, only 260 A330-200 and 210 A330-300 have been ordered. Can we expect the 7E7 to outsell the A330-300 before 2008? Regardless, I think it is safe to say the 7E7 will beat the 777 as the fastest selling widebody in history.

IMO, the 7E7 will definitly outsell the A330. Future customers like DL, AA, and UA could account for almost 200 aircraft alone. And once the 7E7 enters service, A330 orders are likely to dry up. If DL, AA, and UA are 200 alone, imagine all of the others combined.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 915 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2240 times:

ANA has multiple termination rights and the rights to significantly reducte their order etc....

ANA has several rights within the contract, not the least of which is the right to terminate or cutrail their order if the 7E7 does not meet perfromance garuntees. Then again, ANA has the option to convert any 763ERs to be delivered after 2008 into 7E7s.... This is in ANA's best interest as it protects themselves from getting screwed with a lemon aircraft, i.e. MD11. Safe move if you ask me  Big thumbs up

the actual ANA order is not as impressive as boeing claims

Well it is a 50 aircraft order. Not 10 + 40 options, but 50 orders. In all likelyhood these airplanes were discounted from the expected list price, but Boeing does not have a habit of "giving" aircraft away. All around great victory for Boeing  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineCarnoc From China, joined Oct 2001, 875 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2159 times:

Just got another email says that at least two of 'BIG 3' (Air China, China Eastern & China Southern) Chinese carriers interests in purchasing B7E7s, but no names were given in the email.

Cheers.


User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

Wow. This plane really is going to sell like hot cakes.

User currently offlineSupraZachAir From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Feb 2004, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1998 times:

Yeah, this was mentioned on the local news up here in Seattle as well. I was going to post about it a couple days ago, but never found any solid articles. The reports said Chinese carriers are expected to place order(s) possibly larger than the ANA order and that they wanted the planes before the 2008 Beijing Olympics. Outstanding news, especially if it comes to fruition.

User currently offlineEconojetter From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 430 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1925 times:

China is a big aviation market where both Boeing and Airbus will have a share. It is also a major export nation that is keen to maintain good trade relations, part of it is through the balance of exports/imports. If I am not mistaken, aircraft deals are still made through a central authority (CAAC), except it appears now that individual airlines have a little more say on the type of aircraft they desire.

I believe that the 7E7 will have a role in the Chinese domestic and regional Asian markets, mainly replacing 767/A300/A310 on more mature markets and offering a capacity upgrade for current 757 routes that are growing. It is also the only mid-size product with a variant specifically aimed at short-medium range operations. That said, if Airbus makes good on its threat to dump the A330-200 prices, they could steal some of the orders, especially since the bullishness of the developing Southeast Asian markets seems to favour higher-capacity aircraft. I wonder if Boeing isn't being urged to push forward the development of the stretched version to attract the likes of TG, SQ and MH (Malaysia has been reported as seeking workshare on the aircraft), where there would be a need for a 7E7-stretch (along with 7E7 basic) even before 2008.


User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1890 times:

In all honesty i dont think airbus need to do anything dramatic to prices.

I cant see airlines who operate the A330 at the minute, dumping there A/C and buying the 7E7. And if they are going to expand their fleet the majority will continue purchasing the A330 IMO.


User currently offlineMY7E7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

Another interesting fact is that the Chinese Airlines are considering a joint order, that could potentially be quite a large number of aircrafts that would be ordered. Might easly be over 50 aircrafts.


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