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Are Jetsgo's Fares Setting Stage For Big Crash?  
User currently offlineCanadaEH From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 1341 posts, RR: 4
Posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

Are Jetsgo's bargain fares setting the stage for a big crash?

By PATRICK BRETHOUR
Saturday, May 8, 2004 - Page B7

CALGARY -- Too steep a climb leads to a stall, and then disaster.

That is both an unshakeable law of aerodynamics and the starting point for analysts' wariness about Jetsgo Corp.'s meteoric rise in market share. Analysts are wondering whether its surge can be sustained -- how long the company can use deep discounts to boost volumes in the coveted Ottawa-Toronto-Montreal "golden triangle." And some aren't sure whether the firm will survive at all.


http://globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040508/RJETSGO08//?query=Jetsgo



EH.
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User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2304 times:

At first I thought you meant a plane crashing.

But anyway, as long as people get totally hyped up about one company and there is not enough real revenue coming in, eventually the whole thing will be a major bust (e.g. Enron, Texaco). If they can make money in the air though, then it can work, until a level of stable trading has settled in.

Just my 2 Euro cents.



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

CALGARY -- Too steep a climb leads to a stall, and then disaster.

That is both an unshakeable law of aerodynamics and the starting point for analysts' wariness about Jetsgo Corp.'s meteoric rise in market share.


Gee, I never knew the former was true, and I'm a flight instructor.  Big grin



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2245 times:

A stall leads to disaster? Boy, wouldn't want to be with a pilot who thinks like that.....

I've been in a number of stalls in my friends' planes over the year, and have yet to have one auger itself in...



"Talk to me, Goose..."
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2192 times:

Stalling a C172 and an MD-83 will have different implications.  Big grin The Cessna will recover more easily and with less altitude lost.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineTristar2000 From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2114 times:

The thing with Jetsgo is president Michel Leblanc, the wise business guy to make money and to rip people off. Remember Quebecair, Intair, Royal, companies that all ended up going down, directly or indirectly thanks to him. All this to say even if Jetsgo ends up going under, Michel Leblanc won't be the loser. In Quebec, we call that kind of person "crosseur", and that's exactly what Mr. Kinnear of Canada3000 might call him too.

Anyway, to get back to the aerodynamic stall, I have to agree with Captaingomes in saying a stall in a 150 or a 172 is one thing to recover from, a stall on a big jet, especially a T-tail jet is something you could have a lot of difficulty getting out alive of.

Regards,
Steven  Smile


User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2053 times:

Too steep a climb leads to a stall, and then disaster

Allow me to clarify.

Never seen a stall caused by "too steep a climb"....boy, if he was my student....



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

"Never seen a stall caused by "too steep a climb"

It can happen!  Big grin As you continue to climb, even if at full power, if your speed decreases, and effectively your angle of attack increases, you will approach a stall situation. I know this really belongs in the tech/ops, but clarify if I'm wrong. I definitely don't have the experience you do, despite my "captaingomes" username.  Smile



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

Captaingomes,

You bit my bait  Big grin

Stalls can happen at ANY airspeed and ANY attitude...they are only DIRECTLY correlated with exceeding the specific critical angle of attack of the wing.

Watch a fighter climb and see my point...

[Edited 2004-05-09 05:39:18]


I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1945 times:

But you can't say I was wrong!  Big grin But yes, it is the angle of attack and nothing else that will cause the wing to stall.


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1913 times:

Captaingomes,

Never said you were wrong!  Big thumbs up I was just trying to get someone to question me on it...unfortunately it was you, instead of one of our "resident experts" that know everything about how an airplane flies... Insane

I just hate it when people (read: reporters) make a false statement like that, which contributes to unneccessary fear of flying in readers.



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4629 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1897 times:

I heard on CNN that Jetsgo just signed a contract for those portable LCD media players (not PTV, the ones you rent for the flight) that Alaska Airlines offers. I guess this is to compete with Westjets Live TV but with $1 fares I'm curious how they can afford this. I bet soon the extremely low fares will be no more.

Kris



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1856 times:

I'm curious how they can afford this

Actually, a system like that is a revenue source rather than a cost center based on their model. If they are smart, they can even convert it into a zero-risk revenue source in addition to the collateral marketing benefits gained.


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