CanadaEH From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 1341 posts, RR: 4 Posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2362 times:
Are Jetsgo's bargain fares setting the stage for a big crash?
By PATRICK BRETHOUR
Saturday, May 8, 2004 - Page B7
CALGARY -- Too steep a climb leads to a stall, and then disaster.
That is both an unshakeable law of aerodynamics and the starting point for analysts' wariness about Jetsgo Corp.'s meteoric rise in market share. Analysts are wondering whether its surge can be sustained -- how long the company can use deep discounts to boost volumes in the coveted Ottawa-Toronto-Montreal "golden triangle." And some aren't sure whether the firm will survive at all.
Ushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2283 times:
At first I thought you meant a plane crashing.
But anyway, as long as people get totally hyped up about one company and there is not enough real revenue coming in, eventually the whole thing will be a major bust (e.g. Enron, Texaco). If they can make money in the air though, then it can work, until a level of stable trading has settled in.
Tristar2000 From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2093 times:
The thing with Jetsgo is president Michel Leblanc, the wise business guy to make money and to rip people off. Remember Quebecair, Intair, Royal, companies that all ended up going down, directly or indirectly thanks to him. All this to say even if Jetsgo ends up going under, Michel Leblanc won't be the loser. In Quebec, we call that kind of person "crosseur", and that's exactly what Mr. Kinnear of Canada3000 might call him too.
Anyway, to get back to the aerodynamic stall, I have to agree with Captaingomes in saying a stall in a 150 or a 172 is one thing to recover from, a stall on a big jet, especially a T-tail jet is something you could have a lot of difficulty getting out alive of.
Captaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2022 times:
"Never seen a stall caused by "too steep a climb"
It can happen! As you continue to climb, even if at full power, if your speed decreases, and effectively your angle of attack increases, you will approach a stall situation. I know this really belongs in the tech/ops, but clarify if I'm wrong. I definitely don't have the experience you do, despite my "captaingomes" username.
"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
JBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4490 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1892 times:
Never said you were wrong! I was just trying to get someone to question me on it...unfortunately it was you, instead of one of our "resident experts" that know everything about how an airplane flies...
I just hate it when people (read: reporters) make a false statement like that, which contributes to unneccessary fear of flying in readers.
VonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1876 times:
I heard on CNN that Jetsgo just signed a contract for those portable LCD media players (not PTV, the ones you rent for the flight) that Alaska Airlines offers. I guess this is to compete with Westjets Live TV but with $1 fares I'm curious how they can afford this. I bet soon the extremely low fares will be no more.
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1835 times:
I'm curious how they can afford this
Actually, a system like that is a revenue source rather than a cost center based on their model. If they are smart, they can even convert it into a zero-risk revenue source in addition to the collateral marketing benefits gained.