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Flights In Which Engine Came Off  
User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7616 times:

Have you ever been on a flight where an engine separated from the aircraft? That has to be frightening!


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User currently offlineF9Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 700 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7529 times:

In 1979, an AA DC-10 lost an engine on takeoff at ORD. The plane crashed into a trailer park near the airport killing everyone on board. After the plane crashed, the FAA ordered an inspection of all DC-10 engine mounts. After they found another engine barely hanging on, the FAA ordered a grounding of all DC-10s until the engine mounts could be replaced. Up until 9/11, it was the worst aviation disaster in the United States.

F9Fan


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8171 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7432 times:

Since it's only happened a handful of times, I doubt anyone here has experienced it. I can, however, relate the tale of an AA 727 where a lump of frozen toilet waste accumulated on the side of the aircraft in flight (I believe this was over Oklahoma) before breaking off. It hit an engine (nos 1 or 3), which did indeed fail and depart from the aircraft. A rare moment when the metaphor became literal (wait for it): the shit hit the fan.


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User currently offlineGeg2rap From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7397 times:

There was an NW727 also from TPA-dtw (I think dtw) had an engine come off

User currently offlineEddieho From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 229 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7380 times:

How did the lump of toilet frozen waste accumulate outside the aircraft?

Doesn't the plane store its waste and only gets removed in the plane? Or do they actually eject the matter into air, and God forbid anyone standing under the plane when someone flushes. (When you flush it the vacuum does make it sound like its going out of the plane).


User currently offlineDantiger From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7279 times:

Thrust, my mother and younger brother were on the DC-10 flight from ORD to LAX and it broke my heart to loose them. Funny( if I might use the word) is I felt the crash or impact was their release. Their was a photo taken of the plane( from Ohare's parking lot) right after take off as the silver AA jet was basically left wing straight down just before it did the final roll over on its back. That is the thought that haunts me. What horror was Mom and Tommy going through at that moment? The impact let them out of that nightmare and let them free. Danny

User currently offlineSWA TPA From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1560 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7234 times:


Dantiger- Wow that just made my heart stop when I read that. So sorry to hear of your loss  Sad

I looked at your profile and it says you are VP Marketing of Aerospace Fasteners. Probably a very naive question here since I am not sure what those are but it sounds possibly realated. Does your being in that field have anything to do with your past experience?

Warm regards-

SWA TPA



I believe I can fly.....
User currently offlineKYIPpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7218 times:

Here is a pic of the NW flight...


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User currently offlineOznznut From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7179 times:

On March 31 1993, an Evergreen International 747-121 (N473EV) encountered severe turbulence departing Anchorage Alaska. The number 2 engine was ripped from the aircraft. The aircraft was only 7000 lbs under its max allowable takeoff weight. Damage was done to the leading edge devices, flaps, lower rudder and the left stabilizer. The aircraft returned to safely land, although it was about 100000 pounds overweight for landing. I was working for Evergreen in Marana at the time.

User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7155 times:

Doesn't the plane store its waste and only gets removed in the plane? Or do they actually eject the matter into air, and God forbid anyone standing under the plane when someone flushes. (When you flush it the vacuum does make it sound like its going out of the plane).

Aircraft toilet waste is stored in an internal tank, yes.... but the tank can quite easily leak. The waste drips and accumulates outside the aircraft much like an icicle does when it's melting - as the air outside is much colder than the waste tank itself.

The plug, or "donut" inside the tank can sometimes come loose and cause it to leak as well. It'll freeze outside the Lav service panel as the aircraft moves through the air. It's quite easy and happens more often than you might think.....



"Talk to me, Goose..."
User currently offlineLtbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13170 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7131 times:

First of all to Dantiger, it is very sad for you to lose family members in that tragic accident, and I appreciate your sharing of your loss.
I would suspect that almost all a/c that had an engine detach crashed. Perhaps a search could be done in the various websites as to airline/aircraft accidents. There is no doubt that major parts within and around an engine have seperated from an aircraft and in effect shutting down the engine. One problem with engine separation is as the 1979 AA Chicago DC-10 crash is that other control systems are damaged, you have hydralic fluid and fuel leaks, controls may be disconnected, and an a/c's computers may make overcompensation for the loss, thus why we have pilots. As this crash happened during/just after takeoff (rotation), it was in a position that made it almost impossible to do a turnaround/emergency landing.
As to the 'stuff' hitting the fan, it isn't uncommon for leaks of a/c toilet systems, often from the access port to remove waste. As the 'stuff' leaks out, it will cling to the side of the cold a/c, and if a sufficient amount acculmates or as an a/c decends into warmer air, then it will separate from the a/c. It isn't uncommon for chunks of a/c waste to fall off an aircraft and cause damage on land, including houses and there are numerous reports of that. On some a/c of course, it could enter the engines and damage them as noted above.


User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2544 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7068 times:

My Uncle was once on a flight, in the 70's or 80's, where the engine simply fell off during taxiing to the RWY for takeoff. He noticed, and got up to get his things, and the FA asked him to sit down, "for take off" and he said "madam, I hate to inform you that we are definitley not going to take off with one engine having just fallen off the plane." She apparently turned white, looked out the window, and ran to the cockpit to see what was going on.... I always thought that was a funny story. Luckily nothing happened to them.

-AA777


User currently offlineDanielbk From Israel, joined Feb 2003, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7042 times:

Also,
Don't forget ELAL flight 1862 (cargo) in 1992.

747-200 4X-AXG Departed EHAM enroute to TEL AVIV. Immediately after departure engine number 1 separated, Hitting engine number 2, which separated as well.

Aircraft tried to return for landing, but as they extended the flaps - it lost control and crashed into a building.

apparently - the slats/flaps did not deploy evenly.
We would never know the extant of damage to the wing.. hyd system was definitely lost..

Danny.



cockpit? it's that little room in the front of the plane where the pilots seat.. but that's not important now
User currently offlineAccidentally From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7022 times:
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NTSB Identification: NYC88FA050 .
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 36396.
Scheduled 14 CFR Part 121: Air Carrier USAIR
Accident occurred Saturday, December 05, 1987 in DEPTFORD, NJ
Probable Cause Approval Date: 2/24/1989
Aircraft: BOEING 737-2B7, registration: N319AU
Injuries: 67 Uninjured.

DRG TKOF, AS USAIR FLT 224 WAS CLBG THRU 4000', THE ACFT YAWED/ROLLED RGT. SIMULTANEOUSLY, THE CREW NOTICED THE #2 THROTTLE SLAM/LOCK TO THE IDLE PSN & A CONTINUOUS AIRFRAME BUFFET BEGAN. SOON THEREAFTER, THE #2 ENG SEPD FM THE ACFT & THE BUFFET STOPPED. THE ENG IMPACTED IN AN OPEN FLD, 6 MI FM THE ARPT. JUST BFR IT SEPD, A PAX SAW THE AFT END OF THE #2 ENG MOMENTARILY DROOP ABOUT 30 DEG. AFTER ENG SEPN, THE 'B' HYD SYS LOST PRES & THE TE FLAPS WOULD ONLY EXTD 10 DEG. THE ACFT WAS LNDD SAFELY AFTER AN EMERG GEAR EXTN & DIFFERENTIAL BRAKING WAS USED FOR STEERING. AN EXAM REVEALED THE AFT MOUNT CONE BOLT FOR THE #2 ENG HAD FAILED FM FATIGUE THRU THE THREAD RELIEF UNDERCUT RADIUS. FATIGUE CRACKS HAD INITIATED ON DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSITE SIDES OF THE RADIUS. SUBSEQUENTLY, THE FWD MOUNT CONE BOLTS & SECONDARY SUPPORT CABLE FAILED FROM OVERLOAD.




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User currently offlineUa777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7024 times:

Dantiger,
It saddens me to hear of your loss and to know that you struggled through such hard times. I too know what it's like to lose a loved one in an aviation related accident. My uncle (worked in tower #1) and dad's cousin (UA f/a) lost their lives in 9/11. My thoughts and prayers go to you and your family.

Thrust,
Might I ask why you present such a ?. I just find it hard for a.net members to answer b/c losing an engine is very very rare.


UA777222



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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8171 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6913 times:

Actually a friend of mine was the f/o on a 707 going from Luxembourg to Africa, overweight, took 40 mins to top of climb. In heavy turbulence, near TOC, engine no 3 detached and hit no 4 which also seperated (like the El Al in AMS). Right wing was extensively damaged, hydraulics etc. The plane rolled over, dropping like a stone. Crew managed to regain some control but couldn't stop the descent. They knew they were in the Alps and expected to hit something. They managed to navigate clear, and headed for Marseilles, although without much expectation of making it. In a gap in the clouds they saw a runway, worked out it was the French AF base at Istres (where the Air France Concordes did their tests before reentering service in 2001 btw). Found the frequency, called the tower, announced they needed to land immediately. The tower said they had a visual contact on the aircraft. "How? We're in cloud!" "You are on fire." The tanks on the right wing had been leaking fuel the whole time, which had ignited. As it burned, flaps and other parts of the wing were falling off. They got round the circuit, and landed at 220 knots airspeed (groundspeed was higher - tailwind) without flaps or slats. Most of the tires failed although the gear held. They went off the end of the runway, opened the side windows, jumped and ran like hell as the plane went up in flames.

Good enough for ya?



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User currently offline747srule From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6872 times:

About 2 or 3 years ago KLM flight 602 lost an engine just after takeoff LAX-AMS. It was later found on Dockweiler State Beach. It returned to LAX and sat there until the next day.


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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6868 times:

A China Airlines 747-200F lost an engine in flight due to corroded pins and crashed killing all 5 on board. That was 1991 according to one website.

Somewhat related are two incidents in which NWA 747s dropped an engine onto the runway (or tarmac?) at Narita. In at least one case, the sole runway (at the time) was closed for several hours to the serious annoyance of everyone else.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6824 times:

A couple of engine separations have occurred on 747 cargo aircraft (as others have mentioned), and aside from the AA DC-10 at ORD the only other engine separations I can think of that occurred on passenger aircraft are:

B727-200
(All due to ice from the leaking forward lav ingested into the #3 engine)
National Airlines, mid-1970s, citypair unknown, somewhere over New Mexico.
American Airlines, mid-1980s, DFW-SAN, somewhere over New Mexico.
NWA 727, 1989, MIA-MSP, somewhere over Florida.

B737-100/200
(All due to engine conebolt failures)
Piedmont, at ORD (complete separation)
Delta, at DFW (complete separation)
USAir, at PHL (complete separation)
Southwest, at DAL (aft conebolt failed, cable held, engine didn't separate)

There may be a couple of additional 737 conebolt failures that slipped my mind, and I believe they also would have been complete separations. The Southwest one being a partial separation was a real rarity.

The FAA had Airworthiness Directives (ADs) out on the respective 727/737 problems that created the situations, and eventually tightened up the time intervals for inspections/replacement of parts, and the problems have pretty much gone away. You still hear about a blue ice ball drilling itself through someone's roof now and then, but I have never heard of anything attributable to a specific aircraft type (so it could be any type).


User currently offlineDC-10inLB From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6755 times:

747s rule....

Just a quick correction...

KLM didn't loose the engine. There was a birdstrike on the engine which of course flamed out. When that happen, it was only the exhaust nacelle that separated off the rear of the engine that surrounds the rear of the turbine section. It fell to the beach, and looked like a big empty planter.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 997 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6725 times:

I remeber hearing about a CX 744 that lost an engine as it departed LAX. The engine came down on a public beach somewhere west of the airport.

User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6707 times:

F9Fan,

AA Flight 191 is still this country's worst single commercial airline disaster. 9/11 was a terrorist attack.


User currently offlineSwaphx99 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6705 times:

How did the lump of toilet frozen waste accumulate outside the aircraft?

Well, when a waste access panels leaks at 27000 feet, the waste and water freeze to the fuselage and then as the aircraft descends or the ice gets to heavy, the block breaks and more then likely gets carried by the slip-stream into the engine.



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5913 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6644 times:

The Delta incident at DFW happened in... I wanna say 1992. I was going to school at the time with a girl whose father was PILOTING the aircraft when the engine fell! She said that he saw the vibration gage going way upward, and then it suddenly dropped. This was immediately after takeoff. It was in a slew of Delta incidents that caused me and my friends to poke fun at their slogan- we twisted it to, "we love to crash and it shows." Of course, as kids, we didn't relize the danger.
But that no 2 engine fell off like, before the gear had completely retracted, and the pilot pulled a 180 and landed (the wrong direction) on a parallel runway on the other side of DFW. It was truly a miraculous landing.

R


User currently offlineElectraBob From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 931 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6462 times:

This goes way back, and it wasn't the loss of an entire engine...but on May 5, 1967, the propeller shaft separated from the engine of a Lake Central Airlines Convair 580 flying from Columbus, OH. to Toledo. The prop sliced through the fuselage, severing the Convair in half. The wreckage crashed near Marseilles, Ohio.....37 people perished.

That was the end of a very good regional airline.....Lake Central merged with Allegheny Airlines on July 1, 1968.



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25 Thrust : Oh wait, I missed an obvious incident!!! N14053, the AA A300 that crashed enroute to the Caribbean from JFK in October 2001!!! The engine fell off the
26 Gigneil : The A300's fin separated from the aircraft, although I do believe an engine also did so. That, not the DC-10, is the worst aviation disaster in the US
27 TxAgKuwait : Might need some help from OPNL_Guy on this one.... As I recall Southwest had a 737-200 flying OKC-DAL that lost an engine into Lake Texoma. (If you ha
28 Gigneil : The story I got was that the engine had some sort of catastrophic turbine failure and things happened just like they were supposed to...rather than st
29 LVZXV : Cedarjet: If I'm not mistaken, the 707 didn't burn up. If it is the same 707 (how many African registered 707 freighters lost 2 engines in turbulence
30 Arcano : Hi Not sure, but almost... During the late 80s, a 737's engine in SCL just felt from the wing while parking. I'm not sure of the airline, but it was L
31 Post contains images Rotor1 : G-ARWE of BOAC, don't know the story, but the other pictures suggest it made it back to the airport and burned up on the runway. -Mike
32 Post contains images OPNLguy : >>>Might need some help from OPNL_Guy on this one.... >>>As I recall Southwest had a 737-200 flying OKC-DAL that lost an engine into Lake Texoma. (If
33 Anthsaun : Back in 1983 I took a DC3 from OAX (Oaxaca) to PXM (Puerto Escondido) and the left engine went into flames really bad when we were over the mountains.
34 Thrust : Also, I believe the 747 had early pylon problems when it was brand new in this world. (The late '60s, early '70s). There were several test flights in
35 AA777223ER : Gigneil, AA191 is still the worst single aircraft crash is US history with 271 fatalities. AA587 is the second with 260 fatalities. On 587, after the
36 F9Fan : I was in a customer service class today taught by a former TWA F/A. She was flying from FRA to LAX on a 747-400 when she got a call to come to the coc
37 N9801F : Heartfelt condolences to Dantiger. That was a terrible accident and a sad story. Most of the episodes I recall are mentioned above, except for a 707 t
38 Post contains images OPNLguy : >>>National Airlines had problems with a DC-10 (not 727) over New Mexico. The pilots did an experiment with the engine controls in flight and the engi
39 N9801F : OPNLguy, Thank you for the clarification about NA 727. And the 'engine quantity gauge' is hilarious!
40 Blueairbureau : To the gentleman who lost his relatives on the AA DC-10. It was very quick and very instant. The F/A's probably didn't even get chance to start brace
41 Barney Captain : "Works as designed, perhaps, but is that a wise design?" Absolutely. Trust me, you don't want the engine staying fastened to the A/C with a severe tur
42 Post contains links MSP2PHX : http://aviation-safety.net/database/1992/920331-0.htm The above link details the 707 incident, at Istres.
43 Okie : First of all, Dantiger your losses are heartfelt. I read the accident summary on the 707, The last statement "the AD was insufficiently efficient" LMA
44 Expratt : Pan Am had a 707 have the No. 4 engine, a JT3D, blow up just after take off from LAX. The engine dropped off and landed on a car in back of some shop
45 Thrust : Dantiger, your family losses are heartfelt by me. I'm so sorry your family suffered for an aviation accident that could have been prevented. Take care
46 Rampmike : "A rare moment when the metaphor became literal (wait for it): the shit hit the fan." HAHAHAHA LOL that is good... I know sometimes in the winter ther
47 Contrails : I can vaguely recall an engine coming of an AA 707 over St. Louis back in the 70's, or maybe early 80's. I can't remember any details, although I don'
48 BA747400 : Although I do not have any information regarding the topic, I do want to express my deepest condolences to both Ua777222 and Dantiger. My heart goes o
49 OPNLguy : >>>I have heard the WN story about dropping the engine in the lake years ago, but have always considered that as aviation folklore. I will see if I ca
50 Broke : There have been at least 4 727's that have lost the #3 engine due to ingestion of ice that had accumulated on the fuselage from a leaking lavatory ser
51 LTBEWR : Contrails, the PanAm building (which I have worked in since 1990!) roof helicoptor crash was due to a problem with the landing gear which collasped, t
52 FlyingColours : To continue on from where LTBEWR left off, the chopper crash on the PA building did indeed kill one person on the streets below. Wasn't there an accid
53 HaveBlue : "The American DC-10-10 at ORD lost an engine due to a maintenance technique that damaged the rear mount. When the engine came off, the hydraulic press
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