KLMCedric From Belgium, joined Dec 2003, 813 posts, RR: 21 Posted (12 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5208 times:
When you compare skyteam ( KL, NW, and CO included) to other alliances
it seems to me that they have almost no flights to Australia.
Does any skyteam member actually fly there? I don't know!
I read in a Dutch newspaper (TELEGRAAF) not so long ago that KLM is considering
together with air France to fly to SYD again.
I don't know how much I can trust this paper and it's sources as it is known to be
a rather commercial and sensational paper.
I'm a KLM employee and I haven't read anything about this in the company info-papers.
But when you think about it something is going to have to be done about this.
Either AF or KL should restart a service to Australia.
Does anyone know anything more about this?
Do you agree with me this could be lucrative or is the Europe-Australia market
already to packed.
Also,... CO,DL or NW operating to Australia???
It would be a dream come true for me if KL would fly downunder again, this used to be
the alltime nr 1 favorite trip amongst KL cabin crew.
For all you guys wanting to do a good KLm-Air france bashing, whining, pessimist thing,
don't bother using this thread for it cos I'm a firm believer that this new airline group
is going to be fantastic!!!!
CptGirmayTesfa From Peru, joined Oct 2003, 409 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5139 times:
Keep on dreaming
the connections via Kuala Lumpur on MH make much more sense: why sending a 744 to say Sydney while a 2 or 3 times daily AMS-KUL provides many more frequency and connection possibilities!
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8657 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5130 times:
I think it's a terrible shame they stopped the route - KLM flew to Australia before any British airline, Imperial et al. I think it showed very poor form that they couldn't make money from it.
Re Skyteam, aren't Koreanair a member? They offer very heavily discounted (albeit exhausting) service from the US to Australia via Seoul (yes); and of course from Europe, where Korean is much more en route.
Anyway, a European airline should do it, and it should be KLM, given their history. Air France have never shown a loyalty to Australia, and in any case after French atom bomb testing in the S Pacific in the 90s (why couldn't they do it in France?), French products aren't that popular in Aus. I would think Aussies would fly KLM over Air France.
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 8227 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5078 times:
KE is the only current SkyTeam member flying to Australia. And don't trust me 100% but maybe CO's affiliate Continental Micronesia (is that the name?) also flies to Australia. I hope someone confirms this.
I think SkyTeam really wants MH to join the alliance. If MH joins, I don't know if it will be convenient for AF or NW to start flights to Australia using their aircraft since MH will be able to offer good connections at KUL. I am sure that MH flights between KUL and its Australian destinations will bear the code of a lot of SkyTeam members.
KLMCedric From Belgium, joined Dec 2003, 813 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5048 times:
KLM has a daily flight to KUL, continuing to Manila
I am almost sure that AF doesn't serve KUL.
In fact I believe that KLM and since short LH are the only two euro-carriers flying to
Please correct me if I am wrong
KLMCedric From Belgium, joined Dec 2003, 813 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4990 times:
Are KE and MH ( not knowing if they'll even join skyteam) big enough to support
all traffic to australia from the skyteam alliance??
I can't imagine. Any chance one of the three US-carriers start flying to Australia?
I mean , if MH doesn't join,skyteam isn't the global alliance the two others are if they
leave Autralia out of the picture.
Mas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2939 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4893 times:
KLM, Lufthansa and Austrian Airlines fly into Kuala Lumpur. Rumour is currently rife that another European carrier is also due to start flights into Kuala Lumpur - but Malaysia Airports seem to be keeping that one rather quiet at the moment.
Snnams From Ireland, joined Apr 2004, 288 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4773 times:
Something tells me it will be BA back to KUL. EI have also discussed it, but it is thought that SIN will probably be EI's first asian destination. (they were initially planning on starting by end of this year, but now seem to be more focused on more US flights)
Back to the original topic, while it would be nice to see KL back in Oz, it is tru that it makes more sense to codeshare with MAS through KUL. After all, a Europe-Oz flight has to stop somewhere along the way anyway: no time saved with a "direct" routing on one carrier.
Aerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 873 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4611 times:
Although I do agree that should MH join Skyteam, it would be better for AF and KL to codeshare withMH via KUL. I also think KL and AF must look seriously at offering additional services via BKK, HKG and maybe even SHA to counter Star and OneWorld. This would give Skyteam 5 potential connections points (KUL, BKK, HKG, SHA and ICN with KE). Also allows for more traffic to/from central asia, and puts pressure on TG and CX. I wouldnt bother with SIN though, due to its close proximity to KUL.
Mats From Israel, joined Jul 2003, 656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4561 times:
KLM's partner, Continental, does serve Cairns, Queensland. The flight is aboard Continental Micronesia from Guam. This flight isn't really useful for passengers originating in Amsterdam. Those passengers would have to fly the opposite direction and transfer in Newark or Houston, Honolulu, and Guam. At least one overnight layover would be required.
Lufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3290 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (12 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4419 times:
BA still fly to Australia.... it's just that some people don't think of the United Kingdom a part of europe, (despite EU membership, because they speak english and not some language the locals can't understand) hence the statement the Australian was the only european carrier. It is the only Continental european carrier. BA still still has many flights to both Sydney and melbourne, and code shares with QF to other capitals from SIN.
Flyinghighboy From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (12 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4356 times:
As for KE flights from US to Australia, they are timed quite well so there isn't a long wait at ICN. I have done both but on the way to the US I stopped in Korea for a week. The return leg I went from JFK-ICN-SYD-MEL, the SYD-MEL was on a domestic QF flight, sometimes pax are lucky and get an international flight down to MEL so there isn't the hassle of collecting bags and customs in SYD and rechecking them etc.
The airfare I was able to get wasn't that well priced, it was about a fair bit more to take KE to New York over UA and QF which has a more direct route and saves a few hours. However ICN airport is really nice and free internet all over!!!
AF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2291 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (12 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4328 times:
I think the Asian carriers - TG/SQ/MH/CX - have done such a good job with their connections Europe-hub-Australia that the Europeans - except BA - can't compete anymore. That intermediate stop - wherever it might be - is a killer.
That Austrian flight - under Lauda's code NG - stops in KUL. NG has 2 weekly KULMEL flights that leave at the ungodly hour of 0525 while MH has 14 weeklies. NG has 5 weekly KULSYD flights that depart at the same ungodly hour and MH has 12 weekly. The routing via KUL is probably a hard one to make money on, except O&D VIE-MEL/SYD traffic (how much could there be?) or super low-yield willing to endure LHR-VIE-KUL-SYD.
Seamefly From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 324 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (12 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4306 times:
Up until June, it was only UA that flies out of the US mainland. HI is going to start their new SYD 3 times weekly out of HNL this summer. Other than that, CO Micronesia's route isn't really that much of a help. From the US, you either have to fly HNL-GUM, or NRT-GUM in order to get to their flight to Cairns.
Australia is in away like S. Africa. They have good demands from public to go there to visit but they can't really afford it because airfares are so damn expensive.
May be Jetblue/Southwest should start flying SYD and JNB so it will be more affordable for the public to visit those countries ... Do you think A320 or 737 can fly that long ? somehow?
KEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (12 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4308 times:
NG has 2 weekly KULMEL flights that leave at the ungodly hour of 0525 while MH has 14 weeklies.
VIE-MEL flight will cease to operate via KUL starting this june in favour of SIN to provide the only direct connection between VIE & SIN (surprisingly SQ doesn't fly to VIE). VIE-KUL-SYD flight will remain as it is.