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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1931 times:

My family and I are planning our vacation for the spring of next year (we own a timeshare and have to plan far in advance), and we were considering going to either St. John in the US Virgin Islands or Maui. I was looking up pricing on CO (of course!) on their website, and everything is extremely expensive.

For March 26-April 2, 2005, EWR-STT is showing up at $970.50, and EWR-OGG (via IAH) is pricing at $2,500 (!). STT is an H fare, and OGG is full Y. Why is CO holding these flights at such high fares? I would hope to never fly anything but CO, but when AA is $498 for EWR-STT (via SJU) and $796 for LGA-OGG (via ORD), it is very hard to wait for CO and hope that we don't get shut out of any flights at all.

Could anyone explain why CO is refraining from releasing seats in the lower buckets? Is there any sort of timeline as to how Revenue Management does this? I'm not asking for Q seats, but something like in the K or B range wouldn't be too bad. CO must be losing a lot of business considering that they are extremely high compared to everyone else.

My parents are not too keen on LCC's either, so I don't think that ATA would be an option to OGG.

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User currently offlineBraniff1960 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1873 times:

Being a travel agent I can tell you that most major discounts are not posted into the system more than 6 months out. I would start checking for March 2005 in late October or early November. Remember, you might want to book a "package deal" which will in most cases five you the best airfare. Some people book packages to get the best airfare with the lowest price hotel possible and don't even stay at the hotel.


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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

Fares change daily in some markets. I watched DTW-PHX go from $249 to $209 to $349 in four days for the SAME flights on the SAME days. Travel was in late July on NW or CO. Keep watching...
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User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2445 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1836 times:

Ahh, yield management and the algorithms, always playing with the discount seat allocation...

Yes, fare availability is done through yield management, so you can see different fares available one day, then unavailable and then available once more.


User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1812 times:

Fares this far out are going to be expensive because the discounted fares aren't uploaded until 4-6 months in advance. I'd try then.


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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7567 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1786 times:

Is this 4-6 month time frame a common practice of U.S. airlines or is it something that all airlines around the world do? I ask because I wonder what would be the best time of the year to find cheap fares for flights from MEX to (i) Europe in the summer, and (ii) GRU for the New Year's Eve dates. Thanks.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1747 times:

So if the discount fares are loaded 4-6 months in advance, why are AA and everyone else substantially cheaper than CO?

User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5766 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1713 times:

In my experience, Conti is always one of the more expensive airlines. They are my preferred carrier too, but AA is almost always cheaper.

R


User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2445 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1670 times:

Is this 4-6 month time frame a common practice of U.S. airlines or is it something that all airlines around the world do? I ask because I wonder what would be the best time of the year to find cheap fares for flights from MEX to (i) Europe in the summer, and (ii) GRU for the New Year's Eve dates. Thanks.

Cheap fares depend on the route and how airlines see demand for those flights in a particular season... Based on experience, the best time to get cheap fares for Mexico to Europe in the summer is around March and April. Actually AA had very good fares to Europe from MEX in April. My brother is coming to visit me and he got a Circle Trip with an open jaw and a stop over in CMH for $702 USD tax included. His route is: MEX-ORD-CMH-BOS-CDG / MAD-MIA-MEX

Mexico to SouthAmerica is a different story, since there is not too much competition, so fares are high all year. During December/January (summer season) airlines restrict cheap discounted fares because they know they will be able to fill the airplanes without them. A possibility is LB, but you could still try to book around September/October...

So if the discount fares are loaded 4-6 months in advance, why are AA and everyone else substantially cheaper than CO?

Because each airlines has a different yield management system and a different pricing policy, so CO may only give you Y or H fares today because that is all they release (it is normal for CO to do this, it has happened to me on the MEX-EWR route for the December season) and AA could have released more inventory to try to take the passengers today at medium high fares...


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