Navion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1030 posts, RR: 1 Posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5450 times:
Here's a great article from the latest Aviation Week & Space Technology:
Aviation Week & Space Technology
05/10/2004, page 43
"ILFC, Boeing's biggest customer, sees broad applications for 777-300ER
Long Haul Rising
With an encouraging endorsement from its biggest airplane customer that ILFC is "short on supply," Boeing has delivered the first 777-300ER that it expects to redefine long-haul operations.
The encouragement came from International Lease Finance Corp. Chairman/CEO Steven Udvar-Hazy, who complimented Boeing for exceeding its initial performance specifications with a 1.5% better fuel burn, 900-ft. shorter takeoff field length and 500-naut.-mi. gain in range than originally predicted. "And the price didn't even go up," he quipped.
ILFC is the world's largest aircraft purchaser--more than 600 from Boeing--and is the biggest 777-300ER customer with 18 orders, all of them placed. "So every indication is that we are running short on supply," he says. Six of those orders go to Air France, including the initial delivery, and 12 to Emirates. ILFC is in negotiations with Hong Kong's Cathay Pacific Airways about taking the -300ER (Cathay was a launch customer for the 777-300) to replace the Airbus A340-600s it has leased. Cathay's interest is in nonstop, polar flights from its big Toronto and New York destinations--flights it proved out using the A340.
Udvar-Hazy said negotiations also are underway with Virgin Atlantic Airways for 777-300ERs as replacements for its A340-300s, and with KLM, which is now part of Air France.
Air France, which operates 25 777-200ERs, is buying 10 -300ERs in addition to the six it's leasing, and will use them to replace its 747-400s. Its first -300ER service will be to New York. The aircraft's 7,700-naut.-mi. range makes flights to Tokyo possible, and they will be added in June.
Udvar-Hazy anticipates less demand for the -300ER's companion, the 777-200LR, due for delivery in 2006, because he doesn't see many city pairs that require its extreme range of 9,280 naut. mi. Boeing thinks airlines will develop more of those applications once the -200LR is available.
Udvar-Hazy sees broad customer appeal for Boeing's newest product, the 7E7, although he teases Boeing by saying the "E" in the name stands for "expensive," rather than "efficient," as Boeing asserts. At list prices, the initial aircraft went for $120 million each to All Nippon Airways.
Although Asia and the Middle East are expected to provide the bulk of the 7E7's initial sales, Europe has potential, according to Marlin Daily, who heads Boeing sales there. Lufthansa leads the list of prospective buyers, using the 7E7-3 short-range version for domestic routes to replace its A300s."
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 68
Reply 4, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4841 times:
MD11LuxuryLinr, Lufthansa has always said that it does not want to be dependent on just one manufacturer, as they see that restricting their options too much: LH buys whatever fits the mission they want it for - if that's an Airbus, they'll buy an Airbus - if it's a Boeing, they'll buy a Boeing.
And without necessarily wanting to spoil the party, but in what way does this article constitute anything different from the two articles within the last few weeks from Frontier (about the A318 exceeding it's expectations) and, I think Easyjet (not sure if it was EZY, but I remember at least two positive articles discussed around here).
This is, just like the others, PR - did anyone seriously expect Udvar-Hazy to say "The B777-300ER has disappointed us? We really regret buying it and wish we could just dump it somewhere!"???
No question that they probably are happy with the plane - but, just as with the other articles: don't put more weight on this than it deserves...
CPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6462 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4457 times:
I'm pretty sure that LH is in no rush to replace the A300's - since it's still pretty unique in therms of capacity passenger- & cargo-wise. The same with AA, whom I believe is really making a kill with it on its Caribbean routes.
As for the negotiations with VS - I wonder how fast they'll get rid of the "4 Engines 4 Longhaul" stickers if such a deal ever goes through
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 14845 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3909 times:
Seems the man got a friendly phone call from Chicago to please not complicate the situation ...
I wouldn't have thought so. When you buy 600 planes from a manufacturer, who has the upper hand? All they're saying is "not sure about the 7E7 yet, but lets have another 20 of those 773ERs soon." I don't think Boeing is in any position to ask ILFC to shut up.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana!
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3650 times:
ILFC is in negotiations with Hong Kong's Cathay Pacific Airways about taking the -300ER (Cathay was a launch customer for the 777-300) to replace the Airbus A340-600s it has leased. Cathay's interest is in nonstop, polar flights from its big Toronto and New York destinations--flights it proved out using the A340.
It's no secret that Cathay isn't exactly thrilled with the A346...
...but them opping an aircraft that's both a twin and non-RR is completely out of character, and would be a thrill to see!
Phxinterrupted From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3011 times:
"And without necessarily wanting to spoil the party, but in what way does this article constitute anything different from the two articles within the last few weeks from Frontier (about the A318 exceeding it's expectations) and, I think Easyjet (not sure if it was EZY, but I remember at least two positive articles discussed around here)."
A better question is, what does your comment have to do with this post? Oh wait, you're from Germany, so you had to throw your pro-Airbus comment in there.
FA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (11 years 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2929 times:
I heard rumors among pilots that we might be following AF model in replacing our 744's with 773's. I heard it has something to do with some huge exit package Boeing wants to set up with UA when we exit chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.
Makes sense to me! The 744's are getting a bit old and four engines are twice as many to keep up. Customers love the 777's anyway!
The debate continues... Starwood or Hyatt... which is better