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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1619 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2027 times:

ATA needs 767s to replace the L-1011 and is looking at the 717. HA has an operating certificate for 767, by-passing some hurdles for ATA, and has the 717. TZ has a huge presence in Hawaii and, I am sure, would not mind more of the market share. I am sure Boeing would love to see this marriage work. Both have some financial challenges.

What do you think guys? Something that could happen? Nothing is impossible in the industry these days!

M


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User currently offlineMidex461 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1968 times:

Seems like a better relationship than HA and YV! (Apologies to the god of my paychecks, Jonathan Ornstein)


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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3666 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1916 times:
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ATA shouldn't have any problems introducing the 767 into their fleet if they decide to add it to their fleet. They already have the 757 in their fleet, which means that pilot training is minimal, only differences training. They also already have an approved ETOPS program. The only real training would be in maintenance.

As for the 717, they will need a lot more aircraft than what HA has. They would still have to order more from Boeing. Plus you're going to have a split fleet anyway, unless you constantly ferry aircraft between Hawaii and the mainland.

Also, HA isn't doing as bad as you think. Plus, Boeing has told the bidders that who ever is sucessful in bidding for HA will get reduced lease terms.


User currently offlinePualani From United States of America, joined May 2004, 301 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1895 times:

IMO I don't think it could happen. HA is coming out of Bankruptcy (soon I hope) and I think ATA is heading the other way. Personally,I wouldn't want it to happen because my OHANA(family in Hawaiian) is the people I work with and I pretty much know everyone on the seniority list. On the other side of the coin, ATA has great military charter trips with layovers in very exotic places. It would be nice to see Europe again while earning a paycheck.


pualani


User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2568 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

Pualani is right. I have friends over at ATA and they are tiptoeing very close to bankruptcy themselves. Hawaiian doesn't need ATA, and ATA would drown in the expenses required during a merger. I hope they both survive (and I'm sure HA will), but remain independant of each other.

BTW, the HA bankruptcy court is scheduled to decide who the winning bidder is for the airline on August 31st, with exit from BK shortly thereafter.

HAL



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User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1801 times:

I agree with the previous replies. A TZ and HA merger would not make sense. The YV alliance seems to make more sense.


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User currently offlineOrd From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1389 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1691 times:

ATA has stated the size of their aircraft is too large as it is and that they are looking at 100-seaters. I don't see them looking to add a plane as large as the 767, especially since it would be a very small fleet.

User currently offlineACAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 710 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1663 times:

Can the 767 fly MDW-LGW?


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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7554 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1617 times:

I don't see them looking to add a plane as large as the 767, especially since it would be a very small fleet.

I believe that TZ's initial intended use of the 767 would be to replace their remaining fleet of L1011s currrently flown for military charters. Should economic conditions improve for TZ, then expanded use of 767s in TZ's scheduled service would be feasible.



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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1617 times:

Not unless they lengthen the runway at MDW...and that would mean demolishing several city blocks...NOT HAPPENING ....sorry  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7554 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1593 times:

Should economic conditions improve for TZ, then expanded use of 767s in TZ's scheduled service would be feasible.

I forgot to add this; for TZ to add/increase use of the 767s beyond military charters, they would need to either upgrade IND to a 2nd hub or establish another hub elsewhere because (as 7E72004 noted) MDW's runways can't handle a 767.



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User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1483 times:


Well, an alliance between ATA & Hawaiian would certainly make more sense, ATA can focus on mainland flying and can use Hawaiian to take care of all the flying to Hawaii. This could also open up other opportunities for both carriers, but a merger is just to much of a headache & never mind the cost.



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