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Delta: Reading & Sleeping Preferred Over IFE  
User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4369 times:

In Delta’s latest in-flight magazine, Senior VP Ray Valeika writes (on page 12):

Customers tell us that reading and sleeping are the preferred ways of spending time on one of our 2,100 daily flights.

Contrast that to the largely teen/early-twenties a.net audience who insist that airlines that don’t offer PTV on every flight will eventually be forced to cease operations. I concur with Mr. Valeika’s comment, as I’ve long maintained here that I witness most passengers sleeping and reading - even on flights that include the latest-and-greatest IFE systems.

Just goes to show you that what’s important to aviation enthusiasts isn’t what’s always important to everyday average passengers…

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User currently offlineSpinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4283 times:

Well, when sleeping and reading are the only choices then they rank pretty high up there.

I can't speak for everyone but when I fly, I like to read and watch TV at the same time and occassionaly nap in between depending on how long the flight is.



User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4303 times:

That's because most airlines charge for headsets; most passengers don't take time or forget to pack their own.


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User currently offlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 978 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4295 times:

I agree. Even though I like PTVs, most people I've seen on flights, even those with PTVs, are either sleeping or reading. I myself choose flights based on fare and convenience, not IFE, and if it happens to have PTVs that's a bonus, but not essential.

cheers, Ralph



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User currently offlineEnginesrus From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4216 times:

That might be true on a 1-2 hour domestic flight but try reading and sleeping for the 14 hours between New York and Tokyo and see how long it takes before you go stir crazy. Of course, if Mr. Valeika is correct why did Song bother spending all that money to put IFE at every seat on Song? They should have just put a couple of books in the seatback instead.

User currently offlineMikeymike From United States of America, joined May 2000, 406 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4202 times:

On most flights that I have flown where I have had in-seat video, i'll spend perhaps 10-20% of my flight time utilizing it. It is defiinitely a nice option to have, but in this day and age where there are so many distractions, being on an airplane is one of the few places that I can actually force myself to read.

That said, a definite benefit for IFE is to be able to "plug in" the more focus-challanged people (i.e. kids) to keep them occupied in their seats in lieu of having them run around the cabin like a chicken with its head cut off.



User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4167 times:

i personally don't care for the IFE, especially the stupid screen plastered in front of my face. if i wanted to watch a movie or stare at a screen i'd just pull out my laptop. when i fly i either wish to be in the cockpit flying the damn thing or in the cabin sleeping. there isn't much more you can do on an airplane.


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User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2129 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4178 times:

IFE is good for long flights, you need to escape the reality of being in a tube for 8 to 18 hours. For short flights in USA, which is most of DL flights, then a book or snooze is ok. When will DL start installing libraries?

User currently offlineWilcharl From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1168 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4076 times:

I think the younger generation on here must all have attetion def. disorder and I escape the 8-18 hrs in a tube by sleeping.... works well... Thats why i like norhwest domestic product. NO IFE!!! Ive said this 1000 times the stupid IFE box takes up leg room!!! Ive flown from atlanta to zurich in 96 with projectors, and ive flown from houston to honaloulou with in seat IFE.. was it any differnt? nope just had a stupid box under the seat in front of me to HNL

User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4076 times:

a definite benefit for IFE is to be able to "plug in" the more focus-challanged people (i.e. kids) to keep them occupied in their seats in lieu of having them run around the cabin like a chicken with its head cut off

Furthermore, studies have shown that airlines who have PTV systems installed serve less drinks per passenger than those who don't. So there is also a cost savings in provisioning costs as a result.


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3104 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3962 times:

I think if other forms of inflight service are curtailed or made to be for-purchase (who wants to rustle around in a cramped seat for change?), the LEAST airlines can do is provide some sort of diversions themselves...


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User currently offlineNoelG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3951 times:

the LEAST airlines can do is provide some sort of diversions themselves

Some sort of cabaret show would be cool - the F/As doing the dancing, maybe the pilot could come through and do his Sinatra act....would work quite well!

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy



User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3104 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3945 times:

Come on, guys, you know what I mean....  Smile


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User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3967 times:

I continue to find it fascinating that many a.netters want to argue airline-induced surveys that conclude IFE isn’t the highest in-flight priority among passengers.

Don’t get me wrong – IFE is a great marketing tool and I’m certain many passengers ‘glace at it’ … but maybe the reality is that most passengers prefer alternate forms of entertaining themselves, such as sleeping, reading (and BTW, this includes newspapers – but it doesn’t shock me that our TV-happy audience hasn’t heard of those), doing work, conversing with others, listening to CD/MP3 (yuk) players, etc. Most IFE programming is boring, anyway – like the movie about the obese African American girl trying to fit in with her dysfunctional suburban family, or that crappy British sitcom “Absolutely Fabulous” (no it’s not – ‘Absolutely Horrible’ is more like it) that CO enjoys playing.

And I bet IFE becomes more of a priority on true long-hauls (e.g. those flights that are 8+ hours in duration), but only a small number of passengers travel on those (which likely dilutes survey results)… nonetheless, the only advantage to most PTV systems (until AVOD becomes more mainstream) is that you can choose the order of your programming and watch it on a screen in front of you…


User currently offlineFlpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2123 posts, RR: 29
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3911 times:

I am 23 and an airline employee.

I have flown trans-atlantic enough and I must say that I like having my IFE!!! I do read and do nap, but when I'm not doing that I like to have something to watch, especially so-so movies that I would not spend $10 to see in the theater nor the $5 to rent!



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3104 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3865 times:

But, guess what, IndustrialPate.... Lots of us here on a.net ARE passengers... and quite value these amenities. I mean, I'd get a freakin' headache trying to read on a plane for 2-3 hours, know what I mean?


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User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3876 times:

Fine, if DL guys think people prefer to read and sleep, whey don't they just offer better seats with more comfort and legroom and install an inflight library?
Damn, nothings better than have a good nap in one of these cramped economy seats, right? I guess since DL only offers PTVs in their B777s passengers just don't have many more options and cannot choose. If most of their fleet was eqipped with IFE, I would pay more attention to that 'survey'.  Laugh out loud

Senseless discussion. I prefer airlines which offer me latest IFE such as AVOD, I don't care about the rest.


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3835 times:

Yes, GSPSPOT, but we're also enthusiasts... it's like saying '100% of the users at the fourms at Sean Hannity's website perfer Bush, therefore he will sweep the upcoming election...'

[Edited 2004-05-12 17:36:11]

User currently offlineOkie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3184 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3830 times:

Well, I would put that survey up there with walking into a bear giant (okie for beer joint) and ask would you prefer free beer or free coffee.
I think you would get opposite results if you did the survey on B6.
Yes IFE is desirable on long flights? After about 2 hours, I get to the point where I need additional stimuli other than reading.

Okie


User currently offlineAlphascan From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 937 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3853 times:

I didn't switch from NW to F9 on westbound trips out of MSP because of IFE. I switched because the difference between 31" and 33" of seat pitch makes a world of difference in comfort. That being said, the IFE seems to make flights go by much quicker and I notice the difference when crammed into my seat on eastbound NW trips with my computer, book or magazine.


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User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3803 times:

I fly DL BizE twice a month over the pond. On the way to Europe I sleep the entire flight, opting to skip everything including the meals.

On the way back, the flights depart in the morning and since I've just gotten up from my previous night's sleep, I'm not tired. I watch movies the entire way back. However, DL's movie offerings have gotten so bad, the I now take my own movies and watch them on my laptop's DVD player. Particularly entertaining are watching a series of episodes from shows like CSI or 24 back to back to back.

-76M


User currently offlineCaetravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 910 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3830 times:

As a business traveller, I like having IFE on long flights, especially those that outlast the battery in my laptop. I like being able to use my laptop to either work or play for a couple of hours, but after that, I want to watch something, or read something. On most domestic flights, even ATL - SFO, not having a personal video screen never bothered me too much. When I flew CDG - BKK on Thai without IFE, I think I would have gone crazy were it not for the fact that I took a Melatonin and slept the whole time. Coming back on SQ, it was kind of nice to have some entertainment options.

Anyway, most pax in Delta's system probably do not need IFE, but on long haul flights, it is a nice thing to have, and probably more worthwhile. That being said, having internet access on Lufthansa and hopefully others in the near future will be really nice. That is something I look forward to.



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User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3795 times:

"Just goes to show you that what’s important to aviation enthusiasts isn’t what’s always important to everyday average passengers…"

No, it doesn't "show" us anything about what's important to anyone. It shows us what Senior VP Ray Valeika says in his OWN in-flight magazine to possibly cover his ass as to why they don't have IFE. Hardly an objective source, don't you think?



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3793 times:

I didn't switch from NW to F9 on westbound trips out of MSP because of IFE. I switched because the difference between 31" and 33" of seat pitch makes a world of difference in comfort.

To be quite honest, if you flew enough to be of any relevance to NWA you'd be getting your free elite upgrades and wouldn't have to worry about the NW seat pitch in Y.


User currently offlineAirlineFanatic From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3773 times:

If you're going to spend the same amount for the ticket ($207.70) for a fare LGA-DFW last weekend on AA. I surely bought them over DL AND made sure I booked the 738 over the S80 because that 4 hour flight can be MOST boring without ANY IFE.

On the way down, I watched Cheaper by the Dozen. On the way home, I started watching Big Fish and then fell asleep. It's about CHOICE and VALUE for what you pay

No one is saying it is the next best thing since the airplane flew... it's an added extra.


25 Post contains images PHLBOS : My first IFE experience was on a DL PHL-SLC flight last August. Most of my previous flights weren't either long enough to justify IFE or the previous
26 Post contains images DABZF : Well, the thing is that I can't sleep on a plane (except on fully flat seats) so there goes the sleeping for me! When it comes to reading, there just
27 IndustrialPate : It shows us what Senior VP Ray Valeika says in his OWN in-flight magazine to possibly cover his ass as to why they don't have IFE. Hardly an objective
28 Post contains images InnocuousFox : @B747-437B "To be quite honest, if you flew enough to be of any relevance to NWA you'd be getting your free elite upgrades and wouldn't have to worry
29 Post contains images InnocuousFox : It's not MY priority. I am ususally glued to the window with a road atlas on my lap.
30 Lufthansa : Okay, so you don't like IFE. Thats fine. I know on night-time transpacific i usually have to work and then get some sleep so I am ready for a full day
31 Ramerinianair : IndustrialPate, Well, on the contrary to what you think, all teens to twenties members don't think that if you don't have PTVs you will go bankrupt! I
32 Jhooper : Granted, airlines probably don't see the 18-25 crowd as the cash cow of their operation.........but some day (like when we're 45-55), they'll do what
33 Ua777222 : As a young "person" I fine that my powerbook and iPod get the job done on one of my 124 flights (from 5/03-5/04) this year. I could really care less a
34 GSPSPOT : I, for one, simply don't want another item to have to worry with onboard, and have to get thru security....
35 Post contains images Jmy007 : I don't know if thiese post for and against PTV's/IFE are a generational gap showing. Perhaps. I'm in my late 20's, and I remember flying way back in
36 AF-A319 : That's funny, because jetBlue customers tend to say that watching DirectTV is their preferred way of spending time on one of our 236 daily flights! We
37 Shamrock_747 : Personally I'm not that bothered. For example, on an eastbound trans-Atlantic flight I like to have a leisurly meal and a few drinks followed by spend
38 ACAfan : I regularly fly FLL-RIC I usually do this on USAirways. I love US and I dislike DL. I dont know why, I just do. (I had great service on my last DL fli
39 Sllevin : I've been routinely hauling my fanny around the world the past few months (and will be doing so again in June). My co-worker and I routinely figure we
40 Bubbinski : For shorter flights I don't need in flight entertainment, it's "nice to have" - in that survey the Delta VP mentioned, I wonder what the average trip
41 GSPSPOT : How can you properly read a newspaper in a cramped Economy cabin?
42 Cory6188 : For me, power ports are most important. Our school provides each student with a laptop to use for the whole year in all our classes, so I bought an Em
43 Post contains images Worldperks : In addition to the teen vs adult dichotomy, I also see a road-warrior vs leisure flyer thing going on here. For the road warriors, a flight is a means
44 B747-437B : Are you saying that NW doesn't give a crap about passengers unless they are flying twice a month or something? Yes, thats exactly what I'm saying. The
45 Post contains images Mlsrar : In addition to the teen vs adult dichotomy, I also see a road-warrior vs leisure flyer thing going on here. For the road warriors, a flight is a means
46 Cba : I recall flying transatlantic 9+ hours 5-10 years ago before all of this new IFE and PTV stuff came around. I remember the big screens that used to fo
47 Dontlikeairbus : i think some sort of IFE is a MUST i dont really care for my own PTV or cable or 50 audio channels but a movie or two on a flight 6+ hours makes a wor
48 Richard28 : I continue to find it fascinating that many a.netters want to argue airline-induced surveys that conclude IFE isn’t the highest in-flight priority a
49 JGPH1A : Well obviously on DL, because the IFE they provide is such rubbish, and they make you pay to watch (on Domestic flights). Duh ! I think you would find
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