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San Diego's Website Gets A Face Lift...  
User currently offlineBoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

And a web cam and flight planner...

http://www.san.org/

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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2236 times:

It is looking very good website and tell us about what are you think with those website? What is about construction with the second new SAN airport lately?

User currently offline2912n From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 2013 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2183 times:

A second San Diego airport? hahahahahahahhahahahah. After the new airport authority wastes a ton of money doing yet another study we will be in the same place we were 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5 years ago. Nowhere.

User currently offlineBoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2148 times:

2912...

Previous studies were done by agencies (SANDAG/City of San Diego) that didn't have the legal authority to do such a study or the political will to get it done. It's also not a "second" airport, it's a replacement airport. Stick to GA. It will be easier for you to understand.


User currently offline2912n From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 2013 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2070 times:

I am laughing so hard I just about fell out of my chair!!

It is arrogance like this that breeds contempt for the airport authority in San Diego, be it the city, the Port or the new agency. I only hope that your attitude towards the public is better than what you display here on the boards. Of course this is the internet and we can all pretty much say what we want.

Does it matter who has "legal authority" to conduct a study? Be it the City of San Diego, the Port District, SANDAG etc???? So many studies have been done over the years that people just laugh at it. Someone has a bumper sticker that says, "The Titanic was designed by experts." That attitude is shared by many members of the public when it comes to San Diego's airport future, be it at Lindbergh or some other site.

But I have been told where to go, so I will now retire to some GA site.


User currently offlineBoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2052 times:

It is arrogance like this that breeds contempt for the airport authority in San Diego, be it the city, the Port or the new agency.

It's ignorance that led to it's development. Contempt? What contempt? Save the resistance by politicians with their pockets filled by Defense Contractors things appear to be going quite well.

Yes it does matter who has the legal authority and professional experience to perform a study. Would you ask the airport to do a study on highway development? Thought not.

In reference to your other post about Airport Operations. Airport Operations is the Department, Specialist is a title. Not a difficult thing to understand. Unless of course you're just San Diego Police and not a Pilot. You do have a job title do you not?

Used to work there. Happy flying Police 3.

[Edited 2004-05-13 22:20:14]

User currently offline2912n From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 2013 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2013 times:

"Stick to GA. It will be easier for you to understand."

I take this to be an arrogant attitude. Sadly one that in the past was not limited to just one person, many people think the Port, which for years ran the airport as I am sure you are aware, was an arrogant political body that was/is a law into itself.

I have never proclaimed myself an expert on airport issues, but as a (pardon the beat up phrase) taxpaying citizen who has an interest in our airport I ask questions and state opinions. I don't call people names and insult them if I don't agree with them. It does not make sense to try to have a debate or gain information from you because you will just tell me that "experts" are taking care of things and I can go back to my hole in the wall. Oh well.

(But it is a nice website, informative, easy to navigate with real time info on flights etc....)


User currently offlineBoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1987 times:

1. Your laughing made me take offense. Sorry, that just chaps my hide.

2. As a taxpayer, you should know that airports are paid for by issued bonds which are then paid off by the airport through rates and charges. This isn't a ball park. Yes, the airport did get a grant. It will pay for about 1/3 of the cost of the study both site selection and environmental impact. The rest is paid by the airport, which is self sufficient in it's operation.

3. Moving the airport to a location that would support dual runways increases the economic impact of the airport on the region from $3.6 Billion a year to about $9.4 billion.

4. I grew up in San Diego and watched as one study after another passed, even a vote. The best thing that could have happened to the airport is having it taken from the Port District and permanentely removed from control of the City and given to a dedicated agency. Both of them have ensured that getting the job done at this late date will be difficult, how difficult is hard to tell. Much will hinge on the 2005 BRAC.

[Edited 2004-05-13 22:38:22]

User currently offlineBritPilot777 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1075 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1949 times:

Anyone know of any other good airport websites?


Forever Flight
User currently offlineRotor1 From Tajikistan, joined Mar 2003, 230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1913 times:

Looking at the traffic into and out of SAN right now... why again do we need another airport? We're obviously not even near pushing the envelope of Lindbergh Field's maximum operational capacity. I don't think the answer is moving the airport far, far away, forcing passengers to take maglev trains or commuter planes to catch their flight... that'd create problems, not solve them.

On a side note, one of my previous job titles included "specialist". I made 8 dollars an hour and my job was to patrol the facility in an official looking manner. My opinions held no weight in any aspect of the company, I was there to walk in circles like a mindless idiot. In that line of work, specialist was a title that made up for the fact that you had no real objective, you were just there to look like you were doing something important when you really weren't. Everyone important had a title that didn't include "specialist", for example, the people who mopped up spills were called "janitors".

But that was just my particular experience...

-Mike



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User currently offlineBoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1883 times:

Looking at the traffic into and out of SAN right now... why again do we need another airport?

It's called peak traffic. No way around it with an O&D airport. Slot allocation is possible, but you'll pay for it. In addition to that, you have road access problems. Not in front of the airport, but getting to and from the freeways.

We're obviously not even near pushing the envelope of Lindbergh Field's maximum operational capacity.

You'd be surprised. San Diego is the busiest single runway in the US. Due to noise abatement, it only has a 17 hour window each day for departures. People say Orange County is over crowded. San Diego has twice as many commercial operations.

I don't think the answer is moving the airport far, far away, forcing passengers to take maglev trains or commuter planes to catch their flight... that'd create problems, not solve them.

Neither do I, which is why Miramar is the best option. 95% of the travelers are in a 45 minute drive radius as opposed to 65% today. The other options will remain on the table in the event all else fails. Something will have to be done. San Diego has survived as long as it has through growth in aircraft capacity, however SWA accounts for better than 30% of the enplanements and they aren't getting bigger aircraft. They will meet demand by adding flights. The others are also approaching max aircraft size. When I was there, DL operated 737/757 mix with one 767. I flew out the other night and DL had 3 767's on the ground. Just one example.

On a side note, one of my previous job titles included "specialist". I made 8 dollars an hour and my job was to patrol the facility in an official looking manner. My opinions held no weight in any aspect of the company, I was there to walk in circles like a mindless idiot. In that line of work, specialist was a title that made up for the fact that you had no real objective, you were just there to look like you were doing something important when you really weren't. Everyone important had a title that didn't include "specialist", for example, the people who mopped up spills were called "janitors".

Specialist is a nationally adopted title. Some airports use Management Specialist, others Coordinator or Supervisor. Much depends on the organizational structure. A Specialist will make anywhere from $65K (SAN) to $86K (LAX) per year base salary depending on the airport. The interns there we're making $12 an hour.


User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1868 times:
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The old website also had the webcam and flight tracker. As far as I can tell, the only truly new parts of the airport website are the layout and the flash animation on the frontpage. Too bad the animation is limited to sped-up footage of cars and pedestrians; it ought to include some footage of aircraft.

As for the airport site selection process, it seems to me that if the airport selection committee is going to consider sites out in the desert or in Campo which would require a Maglev train line to be viable, they might as well add another option: simply building a Maglev line directly to LAX.

I really don't think the political will exists in San Diego to build a new airport. People (like Mike, for example) clearly don't see it as a necessity. I'm not holding my breath.


User currently offlineBoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

As for the airport site selection process, it seems to me that if the airport selection committee is going to consider sites out in the desert or in Campo which would require a Maglev train line to be viable, they might as well add another option: simply building a Maglev line directly to LAX.

Those are just in case and too make politicians that don't want bases closed happy. Duke Cunningham is having a fit in an effort to save Miramar. The paper posted a story that he had been interfering with the FAA's planning department in DC trying to get them to shave the projections. Naturally, he denied it and called everyone liars. Funny his name is even involved. Hmmm.... LIAR!

I really don't think the political will exists in San Diego to build a new airport. People (like Mike, for example) clearly don't see it as a necessity. I'm not holding my breath.

The last vote to convert Miramar won 80% to 20% about 10-15 years ago when the need was hardly pressing. From what I understand, focus groups have been done and the leaning is toward a new airport. Some people have whacked out ideas of what can be done with an airport, but most people get it.

Hi! I'm Duke! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!!!

http://www.saltonseainfo.com/news12123.html

The death is upon you approach:

http://republican.assembly.ca.gov/members/index.asp?Dist=75&Lang=1&Body=OpinionEditorials&RefID=689

The Slap back at Cunningham:

http://www.nctimes.net/news/2002/20020406/zzzz.html

Just to make sure San Diego never expands:

A ballyhooed prospect that unexpectedly floated down the pike to close the Marine Corps Recruit Depot, turn the land over to the city of San Diego rather than the Airport Authority, and move the depot to the closed Marine Corps Air Station El Toro in Orange County had its origin with Rep. Duke Cunningham, says fellow North County Rep. Darrell Issa.

Nice...







[Edited 2004-05-14 04:31:12]

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