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AirTran Defends PHL Turf Against Southwest?  
User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

This unusual (unusual for AirTran) press release was issued this afternoon regarding AirTran at Philadelphia.

Typically AirTran has always run from competition, especially Southwest, however this sounds like the boys in Orlando may be getting tired of hearing about the grandeur of WN at PHL....

Hmmmm.

http://www.businesswire.com/webbox/bw.051304/241345766.htm

Travis

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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2940 times:

Well... WN has only been in PHL for, what, three days now? WN is gung-ho-ing it into PHL, which could easily weaken U.S. in the longrun. A weaker U.S. is better for FL than a stronger WN

just my 2 cents


User currently offlineOrdpark From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 574 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2928 times:
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sounds like someone's trying to set themselves up as the LEADER of the LCC's...if there is such a thing....

Don't quite understand the logic behind this release...


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2907 times:

hehehe AirTran is desperate.....

On AirTran Airways, Philadelphia customers enjoy:

-- The youngest all-Boeing fleet in the country
-- Business Class on every flight
-- Advance seat assignments
-- Oversize overhead bins to accommodate business travelers' needs
-- Newly constructed four gate complex at Concourse D


-US Airways offers on MOST flights a business/first class flight as well.
-US Airways offers adavnced seat assignments as well
-AA offers the oversized bin head cabins, and I think Boeing places it on all Boeing aicrafts certainly the 757.


Sorry, but alot of other airlines also offer the same or very simliar things, and who cares about new constructed gates? As long as it works and it gets on the plane thats great!!!

another thing.....
With 19 flights per day from Philadelphia to six nonstop markets, AirTran Airways offers more flights from Philadelphia than any other low-fare airline.

Not for long....Did you hear about Southwest?!?!?!

"Our success in Philadelphia has paved the way for other low-fare airlines to enter the market as well as for legacy airlines to reduce their traditionally high fares which has stimulated the Philadelphia economy."

Can I just laugh?!?! So if AirTran has lowered the airfares at PHL then why is it JUST when Southwest Airlines enters PHL US Airways now lowers the fares and offering GOFARES. Sorry. I think WN is the first to "lower the fares at PHL"

 In the summer, AirTran Airways will introduce the first of its 100 new Boeing 737-700 aircraft,

Guess what?!?! OH MY GOD Southwest Airlines is doing the same thing too!!!! They are also flying new 737-700's into PHL WOW!! WHO WOULD HAVE THUNK?!?!

AirTran Airways is Philadelphia's largest low-fare airline and the best choice for business travelers.

We will see soon enough.....


Iv said enough...go on..
Alex

[Edited 2004-05-13 23:41:24]


Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineSouthwestMDW From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 303 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2865 times:

I totally agree with you Alex- Those reasons above don't make me want to fly AirTran anymore. Actually, living where I do right now (Chicago) I have the choice of 5 airlines I can take to Philadelphia, NONSTOP. Why would (probably lots of people) go AirTran and have to connect in ATL?

Even with AirTran at PHL, there is a fare war going on there between US Airways and Southwest, why throw another airline in? Almost everything that AirTran has, another airline has it, too.

Patrick


User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3347 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2852 times:

Original Low-Fare Carrier Stimulates Competition

Sorry! America West started service to PHL in 1994, before AirTran existed. I think PHL was an original ValuJet destination, but that really doesn't count, does it?

AAndrew


User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2442 posts, RR: 31
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

Correct me if I'm wrong... but back in 1994 America West wasn't really a low fare carrier were they? It's just within the past couple of years that they trnasitioned to that.....


You can't fix stupid.... - Ron White
User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2814 times:

Aa757first- You are correct AWA was indeed the first LCC to enter PHL, however its grown so large I consider it a legacy carrier now but your are correct about it.

SouthwestMDW- Yeah FL offers the SAME thing that the legacy carriers do and Southwest offers the same!! So WHO CARES? While its true that AirTran has what it says its not the FIRST or ONLY to have it!!


Alex



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User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2797 times:

AirTran Defends PHL Turf Against Southwest?

Do you think all the staff were instructed to urinate around the terminal


User currently offlineCactusA319 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2918 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2789 times:

-- Business Class on every flight
-- Advance seat assignments
-- Oversize overhead bins to accommodate business travelers' needs


These are all thing Southwest DOESN'T offer, and that's really who they're aiming at with this release. Basically the release is Airtran's way of saying, "Hey we're still here!" Kind of unecesary if you ask me...



User currently offlineDeltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1643 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2774 times:

Cactus739:

HP has always positioned itself as a LCC from its beginings in the early 80s.


User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3347 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

Cactus739,

America West was always a low fare career. Click on the link on the bottom and watch the first TV ad. I'll post a transcript.

(1983 HP commercial. Geeky man is inside of an airplane)
Narrarator: Air jet travel isn't the same anymore.
Passenger: My assigned seat! This is a low fare airline?
F/A: (Hands the man a newspaper) Its complementary.
Passenger: This is a low fare airline?
F/A: Cocktail? Its part of the service!
Narrator: To Phoenix, the West and Midwest, America West.
Singers: America West Airlines!

http://www.cactuswings.com/hp/video/index.html

AAndrew


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3396 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2699 times:

It should be interesting if Airtran actually does anything about Southwest's new competition. I mean Airtran has been adding a lot of Florida service lately, but they continue to drop 2-4 flts during the summer and only serve PBI, and RSW seasonally. If they really want to compete with Southwest they ought to reconsider dropping these flts.

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2661 times:

And this week's John Leahy Award of Pathetic P.R. goes to-

User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

FL has a product that is enourmously better than WN. I like assigned seats. I like business class. USAir customers also like these things but maybe not what they cost. FL came into BWI after WN had ran out USAir. BWI is now the 2nd largest station for FL. The only thing FL needs are more aircraft and thats about to change with 100 additional 737s on the way. Looks like WN has more to worry about than FL.

User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

Airtran really does have a better product to offer the flying public. However, Southwest has them beat in another department....Number of aircraft in service today. PHL can be owned overnight(short period of time) by Southwest if they wish to reposition planes from MDW, LAS, LAX and PHX. The plan is a slow kill toward the competition as successfully done at BWI. Airtran is NOT in Southwests sights....yet. Airtrans statement is merely letting people know not to forget Airtran and not to get pre-occupied by all the Southwest hype.
safe



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User currently offlinePropilotJW From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 589 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

I say good job for AirTran. All we have been hearing about in PHL for the last few months is about Southwests big boom into PHL. Everyone is looking and wondering about Southwest and how we should all fly them. I think AirTran is just letting everyone know that "Hey, we were here first, we are still here, and we are planning on being here for the long run". It is stupid to point out the little things and put down AirTran just for letting this release out. (Atrude777) I think it is great that AirTran is running away from Southwest.

User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3347 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

Looks like WN has more to worry about than FL.

Hasn't WN won every battle they fought in the past?

AAndrew


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5891 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2389 times:
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I think Air Tran and Southwest will coexist well together. Together, they will keep the fares out of PHL low. US Airways needs a new business plan if they want to stay alive...since they have one of the highest costs in the airline industry.

Cheers to both WN and FL!


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

Propilotjw-
I think it is great that AirTran is running away from Southwest.

where does it say AirTRan is running away?? do u mean staying and fighting?

To the others---I agree AirTran is probably annoyed by this hype about Southwest Airlines at PHL and is NOT letting the flying public forget about them....HOWEVER, what they have mentioned we ALREADY KNOW and is nothing new that other airlines have. The things they are pointing out the carriers also have...AA, DL, UAL they all have F/C and business seats. Now, if they were pointing at Southwest, I agree Southwest doesnt have that stuff, BUT they do have alot of flights to/from PHL, they do have new 737-700's. I CAN say FL did NOT help lower the fares at PHL. FL and ATA was the only LC at PHL and both charged high prices or even with the legacy carriers. Now when US Airways hears WN is starting PHL, what does US Airways do? THEY LOWER THE PRICES!!! to whats called GoFares! Did they do it when ATA entered the market? Did they do it when FL entered the market? NO. I hope FL does well in PHL and I hope Southwest does too God luck to both of them..

Alex



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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

"Hasn't WN won every battle they fought in the past?"

Has WN ever done battle with a carrier that also has cost of 6.5 cents per mile?



User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

Now when US Airways hears WN is starting PHL, what does US Airways do? THEY LOWER THE PRICES!!! to whats called GoFares! Did they do it when ATA entered the market? Did they do it when FL entered the market? NO.

Yes, they did. US matches fares, at least in the low end, in all markets where it competes with FL/TZ/HP/etc. How do you think US ran FL out of markets like PIT-PHL/CHI/LGA? They just didn't make a big deal about it and give it a name.

In fact, in the original WN markets, there were *already* low fares on those routes as a result of US's competition with FL/TZ/HP. (WN lowered fares to PVD, but there were already low US fares to BOS.)



I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
User currently offlinePropilotJW From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 589 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2325 times:

yes I meant to say that I thinkit is great that AirTran IS NOT runing away from Southwest. Thanks Alex.

User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

Has WN ever done battle with a carrier that also has cost of 6.5 cents per mile?

No, but they DID do battle against Braniff and Texas International (aka Continental) with a fleet of only 3 airplanes.


User currently offlineGr8slvrflt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1599 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

Most of the public probably does not know that AirTran offers many major airline-type amenities at Southwest-type fares. Reminding the public that AirTran is in Philadelphia already with service superior to Southwest and fares that were always as low as US Airways' "GO Fares" seems like good marketing to me.

25 Post contains images Atrude777 : PropilotJW-no problem. To the rest---I agree with all you say, it seems a type of "in-your-face-southwest" to em because its syaing Southwest look at
26 Usairways85 : Atrude777: "gofares" is just a marketing ploy because US needs to make its lowered fares much more publically known than it has before. Airtran and AT
27 Quickmover : The people who run FL are not lightweights. These people have in 5 years gone from a carrier on the brink with 25-30 old dc9s, 10 mil in cash and empt
28 ATA767 : "FL and ATA was the only LC at PHL and both charged high prices or even with the legacy carriers." That is absolutely a false statement. ATA has alway
29 Atrude777 : ATA767- You will have to excuse me I meant they charge higher prices then Southwest does, but i didnt know ATA caps at 299 each way as well I cannot v
30 Grrtvc : Folks, I think the point AirTran is trying to make here is that they are just as successful, in most respects, as Southwest. There has been a lot of p
31 Flamant15 : This press release serves two main purposes for FL. 1. This tells the general public, "Hello we are AirTran and we are here along with Southwest and U
32 PHLBOS : When I first joined a.net over a month ago, my first post related to AirTran's future plans at PHL as well as how they may respond to WN setting up sh
33 Quickmover : "While FL is no 'sleeping giant', they aren't a lightweight either; it looks like they finally woke up in PHL. Sometimes one has to wonder if one of W
34 PHLBOS : In the summer, AirTran Airways will introduce the first of its 100 new Boeing 737-700 aircraft, Guess what?!?! OH MY GOD Southwest Airlines is doing t
35 JGPH1A : Re: "Notice some of the routes that WN started with: MCO, TPA, MAN, PVD, PBI" PHL-MAN is a LOOONG way to go on just peanuts ! Maybe you meant MHT...
36 Usairways85 : Airtran doesnt lease D12....only D14, D15, and D16. I've never seen them use D12.
37 Quickmover : PHLBOS, I read somewhere a while back that PHL would make more gates available to FL if they wanted them. Maybe those were the ones that WN took? I gu
38 Post contains images PHLBOS : Airtran doesnt lease D12....only D14, D15, and D16. I've never seen them use D12. I think I saw them use D12 once, maybe due to some maintenance work
39 7E72004 : If US did go under or had to scale down...would they be able to convert part of the F terminal into regular jet gates?
40 PHLBOS : If US did go under or had to scale down...would they be able to convert part of the F terminal into regular jet gates? At present, gates F11 & F13 can
41 7E72004 : So US still uses D-2 and D-4...i remember flying US back in december of 1989 and we departed out of D-4 and i think they also used D-6 and D-8 if i am
42 PHLBOS : So US still uses D-2 and D-4...i remember flying US back in december of 1989 and we departed out of D-4 and i think they also used D-6 and D-8 if i am
43 Post contains images 7E72004 : PHL has changed a lot...i pulled some old pictures from the 80s of phl with the ugly green/blue concourses...at the time there were only B,C,D, and E.
44 PHLBOS : ...and the TWA hangar was still there which is of course now gone You can thank the Terminal A-West project for the demise of the old TWA hangar.
45 7E72004 : I know...it is kind of weird when i think of how concourse B was on the end.
46 PHLBOS : I know...it is kind of weird when i think of how concourse B was on the end. Physically, Terminal A (now A-East) was there since 1975; for some reason
47 7E72004 : correct me if i am wrong but they did not build the A terminal until 1993 or so...i remember arriving on a USAir flight from FLL and we arrived on the
48 PHLBOS : Nope, the building shell was there since the mid-70s. Around 1990, there was an expansion built where gates A6, A8, A10, A12 and A13 are now. Not to g
49 Post contains images 7E72004 : i see...didn't Mexicana use the B concourse for a while? (a little off the subject
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