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Did American West Operated 727  
User currently online747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3757 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3640 times:

Did American West ever operated 727. I was told that they did in the early eighties. Anybody who has information please tell me.

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User currently offlineAndahuailas From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3577 times:

Its America West, not American west

User currently offline4jaded From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3573 times:

As far as I know America West did not operate that type. However I could be wrong. If they did it was for probably a very short time.

User currently offlineUaord From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3531 times:

America west did not operate any 727's, they started out with a couple 737's. They did operate for a short while service to Hawaii with a 747.

[Edited 2004-05-14 05:13:06]

[Edited 2004-05-14 05:13:38]

User currently offlineAv8trxx From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 657 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3508 times:

Could it be you are thinking of Southwest, not America West? For a short time they actually operated the 727 in addition to the 737.

User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5702 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3497 times:

I think AWA and US Airways were the two only airlines to NOT operate the 727, hell even ATA and WN did for a short time.

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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3470 times:

USAirways operated the 727. It was frequently used on their shuttle operation between DCA, LGA, and BOS, and was also a part of the mainline fleet.


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User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2450 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3455 times:

US Air/US Airways did operate the 727...


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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6340 posts, RR: 33
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3390 times:

America West was not around in the early 1980s, someone is playing with you. HP started operations in March or April of 1984.

They did operate, sort of, L-1011s though.



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User currently offlineCactusHP From United States of America, joined May 2004, 348 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3357 times:

I'm absolutely sure that HP never operated 727s but Southwest did for a short time.


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User currently offlineSprxflyswa From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3282 times:

Actually America West Airlines began service on August 1,1983. And to me, Early 80's is anytime from 1980 to 1985.

As for the L-1011s, don't think that is anywhere near accurate.

Air California/AirCal did not use 727s either,or Aloha, or Hawaiian.


User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2230 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3193 times:
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I'm real curious about the L1011 comment. How do you "sort of" fly them. could you be think about the short lived PSA experiment with them?


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or are you thinking about the 747 America West had?



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User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3146 times:

WN actually operated 727's twice in their history. The first time was in the late 70's ('78 into '79 I believe it was) which were leased from Braniff. The second time was from the early to mid 1980's ('83 to '86) which were leased from PEOPLExpress.

America West never operated the 727, but as mentioned above they did have a small fleet of four 747-200's which were operated to Hawaii, as well as a few charters to Japan and Germany (Stuttgart if my memory serves me correctly). HP had placed orders for 747-400's factory fresh from Boeing, but that deal bit the dust when HP realized at the time it couldn't support the 747 on it's route network (it darn near killed them actually). HP's 747's were ex-KLM machines.


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User currently offlineEAL757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3120 times:

Geez, that 727 in Southwest colors is about the butt-ugliest thing I've ever seen. What on earth is Southwest thinking when they come up with their color schemes? They've got the ugliest I feel, hands down.

-Jeff


User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2469 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3068 times:

America West never operated the 727 or the L-1011.


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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3063 times:

I never realized WN operated the 727...why did they do that??


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User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3034 times:

I never realized WN operated the 727...why did they do that??

If memory serves, WN was looking at operating the type as a way of increasing seats on a route without increasing frequencies, and also as a way of getting aircraft quickly added to the fleet. Braniff, facing hard times anyway, was glad to lease them for the extra cash revenue and reduced overall costs to their airline. WN stopped operating them when they realized the type was costing them more money and was able to get additional 737s.

However, I could be completely off-base with this, as it's been awhile since I read about the 727s. I'll take a look at the chapter that deals with the 727s in "Nuts!" (which I'm currently reading), and get back to you.



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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3014 times:

According to an old Airliner book I had from the late 1980s it showed that America West had 25 A300s on order and 15 767-300s on order.

Whatever happened to that?


User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2931 times:

The L1011 idea comes from a lease agreement that was being made with ATA for them to do our flight to HNL towards the end. I'm not sure if it ever actually happened, but yes it is true.

I don't know anything about A300's or 767-300's. I know that we had 737-400's on order and new 747-400's, both of which were cancelled.


User currently offlineHPCMHPHX From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2904 times:

I don't know about anyone else on here, but I would have loved to see the 47 in the new HP colors.

User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2868 times:

I think that in today's climate (maybe not 10-15 years ago however) that America West can operate 767-300's profitably. For one, they would be tremendous for the PHX-LAS flights. They would help to allieviate the need for so much frequency on that route (yet the service still needs to be at least hourly as there is so much connecting traffic between the two cities...so capacity on the route would also see an increase). Also, America West has operated it's transcons with the 57's from LAX-JFK/BOS, as well as PHX-BWI as well as others with jam-packed 757's and there have been some thunderings about how the current capacity on those routes are insufficient as demand is really great. The 763's would also have the legs to reach more South American destinations. There are plenty 2nd hand 763's out there to be had, and with the commonality it would take little crew training to cross-feed the 757 pilots on the new type.


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User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2854 times:

I agree completely about the 763....would eliminate all those dual departure we have to LAX, SAN, LAS, etc. Some have 300 seats between the 2 flights and both are full...that's alot of people! I don't think a 767 could take off from SNA, but at least the flights could be upgraded to 757.

User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7811 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2839 times:

The Tristars came from a wet-lease agreement to fly the Honolulu flights for a short period after the 747s were disposed of. So IMissPiedmont is correct when he said America West "sort of" operated the L1011.


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User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1392 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

763er's would be great for America west to expand since they already operate 757's, but can their gates accomadate 763er's at PHX or LAS or LAX?


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User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

Flyboy,
SAN came to mind as one of the cities that would greatly benefit from HP 763ER service. I know in the morning, HP has two birds that depart for PHX one right after the other from neighboring gates (I've done that leg quite a few times and it's always interesting to look out of the window and see the other SAN bird turning to finals at PHX right behind us). I believe that this happens several times a day because the capacity demands are pretty great at these hours and there just aren't enough '57's to go around. Along with HP186 and the 757 that comes in during the later evening hours, I think that an aircraft with larger capacity would definitely benefit them. Take those alleviated A320's and 757's and assign them to other duties to expand upon other routes and/or create new ones.



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25 Access-Air : America West bought 4 used B747-106s from KLM Royal Dutch Airlines, they were formerly PH-BUA, BUB, BUC, and BUD. They were used for service from Phoe
26 DeltaMD11 : One minor correction~The HP 747's were -206B's, not -100 series birds.
27 Av8rPHX : If not the 763, a few 753s would help with some load issues. Oh and as a side note... I love how passengers refer to us as "AMERICAN" West. I had a co
28 EMBQA : WoW....Twenty Eight responses and the answer is still NO..!!!! America West has never flown a Boeing 727..
29 Swardu : This is my 2nd post ever as I am new to Airliners.net Forum. America West never operated with 727's. They began ops with 737-100's, 200's, and 200adv'
30 Post contains images Gigneil : If not the 763, a few 753s would help with some load issues. Not many of those to go around, eh? Are both those SAN departures 757s? I think the growt
31 CactusHP : Really the problem is that there's not enough 757s. If there were more, we wouldn't have to do double departures. And also, HP needs to use 757s to Sa
32 Access-Air : Opps, sorry DeltaMD11.....you are correct.....I guess I remember seeing them as KLM 206s at O'Hare a few times...LOL. Access-Air
33 Gigneil : And why is HP getting rid of there 757s? It just doesn't make any since. Frankly, the 757s that HP has are old and on the borderline of decrepid. They
34 Post contains images IMissPiedmont : You are, of course, correct about the start up date of HP Sprxflyswa. As to the question about other US airlines that never operated the 727, as South
35 Access-Air : Actually Ozark NEVER actually took delivery of their two 727-2D4s, N720ZK and N721Zk were promptly sold to Pan Am.....and now curerently fly for FED E
36 Post contains images IMissPiedmont : Ozark did indeed take official delivery of the 2 727s. True, they were sold to Pan Am minutes later, but they were delivered.
37 HPCMHPHX : CactusHP: The 319 we fly to SJO is fine in the fact that with the winds down there most flights are weight restricted. In fact, they tell us not to no
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