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Will There Ever Be A Passenger MD-10?  
User currently offlineJapanfan3 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 20 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5607 times:

Do you think there'll be a passenger version of the MD-10?

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User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1893 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5581 times:

It was. It is now being used for freighters and such.


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User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5572 times:

At the rate the DC10s are disappearing from airlines.. Nope

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User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5559 times:

I understand this modified version of the DC10 was specifically designed for cargo. This doesn't mean it cannot be fitted with seats and windows, but perhaps its performance will not be convenient (or profitable) for carrying passengers - i.e.: its structure may be way too reinforced (thus heavy) for just accomodating passengers.

Imagine using a semi fifth-wheel truck for pulling a trailer fitted with windows and seats, instead of a bus.


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User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5469 times:

"It was. It is now being used for freighters and such."

I'm a little confused by that statement. To my knowledge, the only MD-10's in the world are the 20 ex-UA birds that are with FedEx.



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User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5414 times:

From this sites Aircraft Data & History section (q.v.):

The Boeing MD-10 conversion for Federal Express involves fitting DC-10s (both current freighters and "new" ex airliner freighter conversions) with a two crew Honeywell VIA 2000 EFIS flightdeck with six LCD screens. The instrument panel layout is identical to that in the MD-11, and pilots can be qualified to fly the two interchangeably. First flight was on April 4 1999, while the first of 89 MD-10 conversions for FedEx was delivered on May 9 2000 (the same day the conversion was certificated). Boeing is offering the MD-10 conversion to other DC-10 operators.

This information does not mention anything about the reinforcement of the cabin's floor structrure, addition of rollerbeads, additional fuel tanks, modified a/c systems, and the cargo door fitting (including a respectable hydraulic system).

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User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5366 times:

~"the only MD-10's in the world are the 20 ex-UA birds that are with FedEx."~

Eh.. not entirely true. FedEX does have a few MD10s they converted that were never operated by UA. One that stands out from memory was the last 'new' DC10 they received in 1988 (it was a -30). It was one of the first to see the MD conversion. Also, there is one or two that were 'lease whores', a couple ex-Continental and few AA birds..  Big grin



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User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1893 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5324 times:

Symantics. It is basicly the same airplane without the center boggie and other refinements. All 10 models, as I recall, were discontinued. A newer version was manufactured and was designated the MD11.


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User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5315 times:

Blackbird.. are you confusing the DC10 and the MD10?


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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4488 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5301 times:

Symantics. It is basicly the same airplane without the center boggie and other refinements. All 10 models, as I recall, were discontinued. A newer version was manufactured and was designated the MD11.

Umm...no??

Neither the DC-10 nor the MD-11 are built anymore.

The MD-10 is a MODIFICATION of an EXISTING DC-10 AIRFRAME.

Center bogies have nothing to do with it. If it's a conversion of a DC-10-10, it doesn't have the center bogie. If it's a -30 conversion, it does. Simple as that.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5221 times:

Ryan,
I'll have to do some info hunting...I though that FedEx was converting 20 -10's that it picked up from UA first. I must be mistaken then. Though point in hand, I think Blackbird is confusing the DC-10 with the MD-10 which was the gusto of my original post.



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User currently offlineMNeo From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2004, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5164 times:

MD-10 are going to FED-EX because they have fleet comunality with existing fleet of MD11s. NO passenger MD10s will be seen because aircarriers haveno profit in changing the cockpit of their DC10s


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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3524 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5069 times:

yes the only "new" a/c that FedEx is receiving for the next few years are the MD-10's.


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User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4947 times:

yes the only "new" a/c that FedEx is receiving for the next few years are the MD-10's.

Maybe... That is, at least until we receive the first 9 firmly-ordered of 20 A380-600F, starting in late 2008.

There are, however, still 69 more MD-10's to be delivered to Fedex...

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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4943 times:

off subject---

but is anyone else getting crossed links on the 2nd pic in Reply #3? ...or is that just me?

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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4928 times:

The only change of the MD-10 is the elimination of the flight engineer and now can fly with only 2 cockpit crew members at one time. So the only change is the improved avionics and glass cockpits from what Ive heard from people and read on Airways Magazine.


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User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4822 times:

~"but is anyone else getting crossed links on the 2nd pic in Reply #3? ...or is that just me?"~

It's not just you Concordeboy.. It's showing up as an Edelweiss A330 with me too..  Big grin



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User currently offlineOerk From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4734 times:

An A330... what the....!?!

User currently offlineMYT332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4697 times:



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4562 times:

"It was. It is now being used for freighters and such."

I might be reading this wrong but there never was an MD-10 passenger aircraft. Every MD-10 started out as a pax DC-10 and then converted to MD-10 standard or as a DC-10F converted into an MD-10.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4496 times:

There never has been a passenger MD-10...

...but there's no reason there couldn't be.

I think there are some of us that, out of jest, are surprised NW didn't go for it.  Laugh out loud

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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4376 times:

No reason there could'nt be but extremly unlikely there ever will be a pax MD-10. But I'm sure NWA would the first customer.  Big grin

User currently offline737-990 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 365 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4321 times:

As with everything in this industry you have to weigh the pros and cons. There are a lot of passenger DC-10s in the desert that can be converted over to the 2 crew MD-10. The pros would be cheaper purchasing cost compared to newer aircraft. The cons would be significantly higher fuel cost with a 3 engine aircraft versus a comparably sized 767-400 or A330, and higher maintenance cost. With the current cost of jet fuel I doubt you'll see any airline taking on any DC/MD-10s anytime soon.


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User currently offlineKerberos From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4318 times:

Imagine using a semi fifth-wheel truck for pulling a trailer fitted with windows and seats, instead of a bus.

It works for the Cubans... Never had the pleasure of riding in one though:

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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4290 times:

I think there are some of us that, out of jest, are surprised NW didn't go for it.

I was joking with a DC-10 captain, obviously NW, and asked him why NW didn't upgrade the fleet to MD-10s. I was just messing with him, and he replyed in complete seriousness that many DC10 flight engineers were nervous as hell of being eliminated, but it turns out NW never considered it.

With the A330s, the days of the DC-10 are numbered.

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25 JohnJ : "Imagine using a semi fifth-wheel truck for pulling a trailer fitted with windows and seats, instead of a bus. It works for the Cubans... Never had th
26 IndustrialPate : ...he replyed in complete seriousness that many DC10 flight engineers were nervous as hell of being eliminated, but it turns out NW never considered i
27 EAL757 : the comment was made that FedEx was expecting 69 more MD-10's? ...are these DC-10's from other airlines, or are we talking about the vast fleet of DC-
28 Post contains images MD11LuxuryLinr : ~"the comment was made that FedEx was expecting 69 more MD-10's? ...are these DC-10's from other airlines, or are we talking about the vast fleet of D
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