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Which Non-Star Hub Has The Most Star Alli. Cover  
User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2168 posts, RR: 13
Posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4198 times:

It was somehow hard to squeeze my question into the subject box, but here's my question: which airport, that is not the "residence" or hub of a Star Alliance carrier has the most coverage by Star Alliance, in terms of number of airlines flying there or in terms of number of flights or in termns of destinations served?

In my mind it is LHR, unless you count LHR as the base for BD. Otherwise, it has virtually all Star carriers going there: AC, NZ, NH, OZ, OS, BD, LO, LH, SK, SQ, TG, SA)">UA, RG. Only Spanair and US are missing. ALso future Star member SA goes there. Most of these airlines have a "Heavy coverage", i.e. many flights and many destinations served.

After that it would be Paris CDG, with AC, NH, OS, BD, LO, LH, SK, SQ, TG, SA)">UA, US and RG, as well as future member SA. Missing: NZ, OZ. But since the airlines serving CDG do not have as many flights into Paris as they have into London LHR, CDG is less of a Star airport than LHR.

Another candidate would be HKG: AC, NZ, NH, LH, SQ, TG, SA)">UA

What strikes me is that despite the high volume of traffic among Star carriers at these airports there seems to be very little coordination or cooperation among Star carriers, for instance in terms of using the same terminal or sharing lounges (which they do at HKG, ZRH and DXB). ANd what strikes even more is that Star does not capitalise on these airports as transfer hubs.

Does anyone know whether Star will shuffle terminals and move its carriers closer together with the construction that is going in at LHR and CDG?

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User currently offlineUNITED777300 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 131 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4087 times:

As an answer to your question about the 'all airlines under one roof' idea, I believe that they are trying to get T3 (or T2, can't remember), which would be much better than the current arrangement!


/// U N I T E D: It's Time to Fly.
User currently offlineStarFlyer From Germany, joined Sep 2002, 987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3968 times:

I heard a while back that CDG T1 would become a Star Alliance terminal? Obviously Star would need to invest a lot of money to refurbish that terminal, which dates back to the 60's and has not undergone major refurbishments since then...

/Star



Yours truly - StarFlyer
User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3904 times:

Is that still anything else about Star alliances into the new terminals or something else? I will think about construction new concourse J very soon and will used with their carrier into the new concourse J of AC, RG, LH, UA and other airlines will join with new concourse J.

User currently offlineSupersonic78 From Switzerland, joined May 2004, 146 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

ZRH would maybe count too:

TG, SQ, LH, OS, LO, soon SA)">UA, JK, SK, AC (in summer), SA


User currently offlineFraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1107 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3756 times:

What about JFK. Most Star carriers serve it. Not sure how many domestic flights UA and US operate from there.
Another airport with quite some domestic flights from UA and US should be MIA.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7575 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3729 times:

Very interesting topic. Can LHR be considered BD's hub? If so, then it would not be one of the candidates. I guess CDG and JFK are runner-ups. ZRH also seems to get a lot of Star Alliance service. How about HKG?

[Edited 2004-05-16 22:45:03]


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User currently offlineAl From Australia, joined Jun 1999, 593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3729 times:

This is the top 5 list - and yes, while it does include some fortress hubs, it gives an idea. There are a multitude of airports with 7 or 8 * carriers.

* carriers serving an airport:
AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA & LHR - 13 (London has 14 if you count US at LGW)
CDG - 12
NRT - 11
PEK JFK & LAX - 10
KIX CPH MAD - 9

The rest have 8 or less.

(I would count BD as having a hub at LHR - it's where most of their Euro flights connect to UK flights, after all !  Smile ).


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7575 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3667 times:

So there we go. CDG is the non-Star Alliance hub with the most Star Alliance carriers. It would be interesting to see if CDG is also the airport with the most Star Alliance weekly seats or if JFK gets that honor.


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User currently offlineChinaeastern From China, joined Apr 2004, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3692 times:

what about PVG? OZ,NH,TG,SQ,SK,LH,UA,OS,AC,also 9

User currently offlineYUL332LX From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

It's LHR for sure, not just in terms of airlines but also in terms of destinations serve by Star members


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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7575 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3610 times:

Yeah but LHR is a Star Alliance hub since it is BD hub. Therefore, it has got to be CDG or JFK.


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User currently offlineYUL332LX From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3576 times:

Can LHR really be considered a hub for BD?

I am not aware of all BD's flights out of LHR but at first sight, I wouldn't think their operations there can be viewed as a hub...



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7575 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3594 times:

Well, quoting our friend AI, it is where most of BD's European flights connect to BD's U.K. flights. I don't really know first hand but I would assume it is a major airport for BD, if not the most important.


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User currently offlineMatt27 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3594 times:

What about AMS?

AC, OS, BD, LO, LH, SK, SQ, UA, US and RG go there. That's ten.


User currently offlineAl From Australia, joined Jun 1999, 593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

Can LHR really be considered a hub for BD?

They hold 14% of all LHR slots - it's a hub for sure!
Selected Star Alliance Members' Operating Statistics
Airline: bmi british midland
Total Revenue: $920 million
Annual Passengers: 6 million
Number of Employees: 6,309
Number of Destinations: 31
Revenue Passenger Miles: 1.9 billion
Major Hubs: London Heathrow, Manchester
Daily Departures/Countries Served/Fleet: 306;12; 60 aircraft

What about AMS?

AC, OS, BD, LO, LH, SK, SQ, UA, US and RG go there. That's ten.


Mea Culpa - my figures haven't been updated with LO and US. Humble apologies.

what about PVG? OZ,NH,TG,SQ,SK,LH,UA,OS,AC,also 9

OS and SK have crept in there somewhere - not sure when they started flights, but yes, PVG has got the 9 now.


User currently offlineMatt27 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3411 times:

LO and US go to AMS that's for sure!

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3376 times:

I am not aware of all BD's flights out of LHR but at first sight, I wouldn't think their operations there can be viewed as a hub...

Huh?

Its their major hub. They offer hundreds of connecting flights.

AC, OS, BD, LO, LH, SK, SQ, UA, US and RG go there. That's ten.

AMS's schedules are well aligned also... most *A carriers offer connections there.

N


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

I thought I remember hearing in the past that they were going to build a terminal for Star Alliance at MIA which is really odd since MIA is a One World Hub

User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1434 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3259 times:

As far I am aware, the exclusive Star Alliance Terminals so far will be;

CDG T1 - 2006
LHR T3 - When T5 is completed.
MIA TA - underconstruction

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineFraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1107 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3201 times:

AC is not flying to AMS.

User currently offlineTripple7 From Netherlands, joined Aug 1999, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3166 times:

"AC is not flying to AMS"

During the summer schedule they do.


User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16862 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3166 times:

Newark (EWR) International,

SAS-

Copenhagen 2xs daily A330
Stockholm daily A330

LH-
Frankfurt daily 747-400
Munich daily BBJ
Dusseldorf A319LR

SQ-
Singapore daily nonstop A340-500

Air Canada-
Montreal, Toronto multiple daily frequencies (A319s, CRJs etc..)

UAL-
Chicago, Denver, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Washington Dulles

Lot Polish-
Warsaw

Newark (EWR) has more "Star" service than JFK, by far.

[Edited 2004-05-17 23:57:06]


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