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HP Into Long Beach?  
User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2360 times:

over the past few years, america west has transfered its five mainline flights over to express flying between phx and long beach. it was my belief that america west then surrendered their "slots" at long beach to other carriers in exchange for commuter slots for express. when looking at their summer timetable, america west has converted its late phx-lgb departure and the early morning lgb-phx departure back to a 737-300. have they always kept their slots there, or did they lease their slots to another carrier and now have taken them back?

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User currently offlineLgbguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2263 times:

They have always used their slots, never any of the commuter slots.

Mike
lgbguy


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

Is that for the slot restricted into LGB?

User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

i thought they relinquished those slots in lgb when flights went from hp mainline to hp express. isn't it just like orange county where the slots are based upon a/c weight, and the crj 700/900 fall into the commuter weight slot

User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

I'm sure the employees at LGB will be glad to hear of HP mainline coming back. They actually switched over to a new computer system and I was asked to help out. I refused because they were an all YV city....and I'm glad I didn't....flights were late the whole time I would have been there.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1995 times:

Mainline slots and commuter slots are very different, but I think the CR9 requires a mainline slot.

I also believed that HP relinquished their mainline slots.

N


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5790 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1958 times:

I believe it was discussed to require HP to relinquish their mainline slots since they were flying RJs in place of mainline. But in the final agreement signed last year at LGB, HP was given 5 mainline slots. (summary at: http://www.lgb.org/content/settlement.htm )

The weight restriction for regional slots at LGB is 75,000 pounds MTOW. That means the CR9 would need a mainline slot.



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1889 times:

that's what i was wondering, where the cutoff was. i knew it was a weight cutoff, but i did not know where the crj900 stood. a friend of mine works for jetblue in lgb, and he is always talking of hp express delays there. things will get better hopefully as mesa takes more crj900 a/c in, they've taken 4 just since 4/1.

User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1832 times:

YV will be getting several more CR9's in the next couple of months...many in June and some in July. I just read a memo about it, can't remember the exact numbers though.

User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5790 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

I don't know how it breaks out by individual month, but a fleet plan I saw showed 6 CRJ-900s coming between April and September of this year. Then another 13 in the period from Sept. 2004 to Sept. 2005.


"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1755 times:

i just read last night in World Airline Fleets May issue that four were delivered 4/1-5/1, and it showed 2 more by 6/1.

User currently offline737captain From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1733 times:

Flyboyaz said-
"They actually switched over to a new computer system and I was asked to help out. I refused because they were an all YV city....and I'm glad I didn't....flights were late the whole time I would have been there."

That has got to be one of the most inconsiderate and arrogant things I've ever heard. You wont go and help out your own fellow co-workers because YV is currently flying those routes instead of mainline? That is absolutely ridiculous. Why are you so bitter- YV is saving your airline money by operating the lower density routes until the loads get high enough for mainline to take them over again. Teamwork is one of the things that makes an airline run smoothly and successfully, and your lack of it is quite embarrassing. If you really are a supervisor like your profile claims then you should know this, and in turn endorse and display such an attitude.



"Why do you insist on man-pawing the glareshield everytime you climb up here?!"
User currently offlineNWB757300 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1677 times:

Yea FlyBoyAZ, I thought "Every flight counts..."

but i guess not, way to represent your company and it's partners!


User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 1597 times:

I think Mesa should be the one concerned about teamwork as being one of our "partners". They have OUR colors painted on the side of their planes and they fail to provide a reliable product to OUR passengers. Doesn't sound like teamwork to me.

An example of how Mesa shows that "Every flight counts..." :

A flight from PHX-GYM is diverted to TUS due to MX. They dump the passengers here, leaving them stranded. They fly the plane back to PHX empty, reassign it as an extra section TUS-PHX flight and get the completetion factor. "Thanks for flying America West Express, operated by Mesa Airlines!"

It isn't my intent to attack you personally, but perhaps you should be asking your management at YV why these problems exist and how they plan to resolve them. I wasn't the only person asked to help at LGB, in fact the only person that did go, was someone who actually likes dealing with delays...she thinks it's fun. She knew she would get her fill in LGBBig grin The rest of us agreed that we wouldn't be helping with the new computer system as much as we would be rebooking passengers.


User currently offlineAv8rPHX From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 713 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 19 hours ago) and read 1576 times:

You have to realize that there are alot of good and decent employees at Mesa. We hate dealing with the bs that mgmt feeds us too. I have helped out HP employees before when they got the new computer system in MSP. They were very grateful to have someone who knew the system. So yes,Mesa does have their problems, but you can thank JO for that and his whole idea of running his "low cost" operation. Things wont change until something drastic happens again,ie we lose a codeshare again.

User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 17 hours ago) and read 1524 times:

I agree completely Av8r. While I have had problems with certain YV employees, overall they are a decent bunch of people who are basically helpless when it comes to the issues at hand. The fault lies with upper management.

User currently offlineLGB Photos From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1460 times:

Actually to correct LGBGUY, Freedom Airlines did use a couple of commuter slots with the CRJ-700's but the airport warned them that if they did not use more regular slots, they would loose them to jetBlue. Usually the captain could fig the numbers so that either the regular slot or commuter slot was used. With the CRJ-900, they have to use a regular slot since the plane is over 75,000 lbs.

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