Teahan From Ireland, joined Nov 1999, 5442 posts, RR: 59 Posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5109 times:
Interesting article in this Week?s Flight. An SAA order for six Airbus A380s to replace the company?s Boeing 747-400s is expected by early next year. The plane would be used on flights to London (from both JNB and CPT) and to Frankfurt, depending on future demand.
(Nothing that new, it was previously rumoured last year)
Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
AirPortugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 4030 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4908 times:
After reading a lot of threads on SAA and their operations here in this forum, Ive noticed that alot of their problems at least on the JNB-JFK route is that they like to take a lot of cargo and pax and often end up missing the mark and making tech stops.
I do not know as much as Id like to on aircraft usage and logistics like that, but it would seem to me that in this case:
1) Even if they do not fill the airplane with full passengers (I dont know the popularity of CPT-LHR or JNB-LHR...) then they can use the extra weight savings to carry more cargo or freight...
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8343 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4839 times:
I think what SAA really needs is a plane with less weight restrictions from JNB on long-distance flights--or they should redo their timetable for the JNB to JFK route so it factors in the need to stop at the Cape Verde Islands.
Maybe SAA should trade in their current A340-600 fleet for the A340-600HGW when that becomes available? With the range of around 8,000 nautical miles the A346HGW should be able to fly JNB to JFK non-stop with a reasonable load almost year-round.
DIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4630 times:
From what I understand about SAA's dynamics, cost structure, routes, growth outlook, and pax loads. . . . . .I'd have to say that, unlike many other airlines, the A380 would probably make a great fit with this airline. Especially when you take into account the growth curvature over the next 10-15 years.
I, for one, don't have much doubt that we will see the A380 in SAA colors.
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Moolies From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4580 times:
SAA fly there 744 to LHR and then the other 2 into Africa. They are really badly slot restricted to LONDON. They get offered gatwick slots some time and in return they want BA to have heathrow slots which is balls.
Ok tonight from Johannesburg to London there are 6 flights. 2 BA 2 SAA 1 VS and 1 CE. In our summer again there will be 10-11 flights a night for some nights others it will be 8-10 from South Africa to London. There are 2 or 3 flights from CPT-LHR tonight.
SAA could really use other more slots in summer. They are starting CPT-Frankfurt and another carrier might start JNB-Munich.
MD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4437 times:
I agree with DIA that the A380 makes sense for SAA, especially for their routes to Heathrow. It looks like LHR is going to be A380 country as airlines seek to increase the number of available seats without increasing the number of flights. I believe BA is eventually going to have to order it to keep up with the competition.
Jfazzer From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 161 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4422 times:
Interesting point about BA, Ralph,
With BA still using the 747 extensively on it's route structure and at one time operating the world's biggest fleet of the type I am sure that the A380 could fit in with their future plans.
The only problems seems to be, that the type is made by Airbus and not Boeing and as we all know with the exception of their A320 / A319 fleet BA loves to buy American.
If it wasn't for government pressure on engine choice, I think they would source their powerplants from the states also.
Any views out there?
ZSSNC From Germany, joined Feb 2003, 428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4295 times:
I think that the A380 would make perfect sense for above mentioned routes (LHR/AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA). With AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA being the most important Star Alliance hub in Europe the A380 could very well be needed to meet increased demand to more transferring passengers to Eastern Europe, North America and North Africa. Since LHR is quite obviously right now the only route where 744s are needed capacity wise (the US routes do fine with the 346 and 343 right now capacity wise) this would be the second destination which would make sense for A380 operations. Lets assume you put two A380s daily on JNB/LHR and one daily on JNB/AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA you would need 6 A380s which would exactly match above insinuated order number.
SAA is also viewing MUC for future expansion.
Airbus A340-600 - the longest temptation in the sky
Jfazzer From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 161 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4082 times:
I would love to see the day when they do come back to MAN, but at the moment I can't see it.
At any rate, the route would be best served with a lower seating capacity than 747 or A380.
The A340-300 or even the A330-200 would be ideal, say three times a week.
By the way, does anyone how bad the load factors were when the route was pulled last time?
Ba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8743 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3982 times:
The A380 is a perfect for SAA. If SAA could get more slots at LHR they would take them,the traffic between LON and SA just continues to grow, as it will in many other countries as they discover SA as a business and tourist destination.
It is just a matter of time,but SAA will order the A380.
Mark777300 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3758 times:
Getting off the topic here for one second. Dealing with the slot restrictions at LHR, does anyone know if these slot restrictions will still exist once terminal 5 is opened? I heard that BA was to move all of it's operations into the new terminal 5 once it's open. This would open much needed gate space at the other terminals that are currently being used by BA. No arguments towards the A380, but if that would be the case, I for one would believe that SA would not be looking into the A380 for slot restriction purposes but rather the need to increase it's payload on certain routes. It's already been discussed before that SA frequently fills it's aircrafts with a full load of freight and pax, the A380 would fit in their fleet just fine, no suprises here.