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EMA Passenger Figures Down Again  
User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2225 times:

EMA have recently reported that passenger figures are down 1.5% in the month of April. Doesn't look too good really does it? I think it may have been a bad choice to change the name of the airport to Nottingham East Midlands. I also heard that other airports' passenger numbers were on the increase. Hopefully May will be a little better for EMA.

DC-10

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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2212 times:

I also heard that other airports' passenger numbers were on the increase.
Newcastle is increasing every month thanks to easyJet  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Would expect EMA to grow again soon though



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User currently offlineBmiEMA19 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

I know quite a lot of people who have gotten VERY annoyed with the name change of the airport, and im sure there not the only ones.
And yes, I can see that theyve made the change to attract more 'foreign' visitors - but they should put local customers first!


User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2181 times:

I also heard that other airports' passenger numbers were on the increase

For April EDI's passenger figures were up 9.4% on last April!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
The 'rolling year' total was up 7.1%  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

I don't think its got anything to do with the name change. Its got to do with the fact that people are realising that all of the airlines at NEMA offer p**s-poor service, that the queues for checkin and security are often so long that you could drive to BHX in the time you stand in lines at NEMA, and passengers are finally waking up to the fact that when they do drive to BHX the parking will be cheaper and the "real" airlines will often offer far better service at a not much higher price. NEMA has rapidly become a low cost ghetto ("all shaggers and boozers" according to one person I know who works there), and some people who want more are realising there's a viable alternative and are starting to kick back.

Sad thing is, no doubt May's numbers will be up with the transfer of Ryanair services from BHX (I bet the airport won't publish like-for-like numbers May-03 versus May-04), and that'll make the bean counters believe that they're on the right track again.

Andy


User currently offlineDoorsToManual From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2150 times:

Andy, all airlines serving EMA are "real" so I'm not sure what you're saying!

As for bad service, well, I think that's a fairly subjective point of view, especially when you consider that it is low-cost airlines such as easyJet that are helping to drive pax numbers up all over the country. If the majority of people thought these airlines represented poor value for money, I don't think they'd all be rushing on weekend trips to Prague or Milan...

Don't personally know anything about EMA, however I do work for one of the airlines mentioned.

Why not reserve comment for when figures for the whole year emerge?



User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2138 times:

Well Thomas Cook will be starting flights to Sharm El Sheikh from EMA in the winter  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineDemoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

Provisional monthly passenger % changes for April 2004:

STN +33.9%
MAN + 17%
LHR +14.9%
EDI +9.4%
LGW +8.3%
GLA +7%
BHX +4%
EMA -1.5%
CWL -7%

Mark



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User currently offlineBDRules From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 1501 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2063 times:

Skymonster, I work at the airport and it aint all shaggers and boozers. It aint helping when bmibaby cancel flights left right and centre. Easy will add more flights soon and with new routes that will be starting soon, who knows.

Regarding the SSH flights Horus, where did you hear about that???? whos going to operate and what days??

Regards

Stu


User currently offlineKA501 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2018 times:

Still 12% up on a rolling 12 month basis! With the good months to come.
Other Easyjet bases are down on numbers look at Liverpool!

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport_data_prov/200404/April_2004_Provisional_Airport_Statistics.pdf


When is the bottom going to fall out of Stansted?


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2002 times:

BDRules

The SSH route will start on November 4th on a weekly basis with B757 with Thomas Cook.

Here is the email I got from the airport confirming this:

Dear ****

You will indeed be able to travel to Sharm el Sheik this winter from NEMA. We will be launching details shortly, however, the flights will be operated by Thomson holidays and are available to book now. Please visit www.thomson.co.uk or your local travel agent for more details.

Regards

Louise Hodson
Press Office
t 01332 852890
f 01332 852959
m 07880 787519
For 24 hour access to press releases and other useful information, please visit www.emapress.com


Up until know Brits could only reach SSH from LHR, LGW and MAN, but from this winter Birmingham, Luton, Glasgow and Newcastle will get new flights to the Red Sea Resort.



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User currently offlineBFSUK101 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2000 times:

Good old BFS holding its own up 13.9%
and BHD up 15.9%.


User currently offlineBFSUK101 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1999 times:

Sorry that was transport movements I quoted.
Terminal passengers up 15.5% at BFS and 3.9% at BHD.
Sorry, such a fool.


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1988 times:

Heard the EMA flights would be operated using A320s...



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1983 times:

Gkirk, the first 3 flights will be A320 and then upgraded to 757 onwards


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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days ago) and read 1975 times:

If you think about it this is nothing unexpected!

Both BMI Baby and easyJet/Go started operations at the airport two years ago and they have over these years been growing their networks from the airport.

As the airlines have now matured and routes are well established growth will severely begin to slow.

I think both airlines have come to a conclusion that EMA offers only a limited catchment area/population and can only offer a certain number of flights. During this times easyJet has grown significantly at it other established bases and BMI Baby seems to be focusing it's future growth at MAN.

Anyone know how LTN is performing in the passenger league tables as this is on the CAA link?


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days ago) and read 1971 times:

I hear WW is dropping EMA-BCN soon also...


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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days ago) and read 1964 times:

GKirk - Thats right they are dropping the BCN route from June.

It has been discussed in a previous link:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1568585/4/

Regards
Giles


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

Whoops, I knew I read about it somewhere, but couldnt mind if it was Pprune or here Embarrassment


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User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1926 times:

Skymonster said: Its got to do with the fact that people are realising that all of the airlines at NEMA offer p**s-poor service

DoorsToManual said: all airlines serving EMA are "real" so I'm not sure what you're saying!

BDRules said: It aint helping when bmibaby cancel flights left right and centre.

I rest my case!

Andy


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7152 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1909 times:

Its also a case that when Low Cost carriers compete neither make any money, and the growth can't continue.

Look at the difference between EMA and BRS growth.

Also notice that the two airports showing negative growth are WW based airports. The airline over expanded into loss making markets.



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User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1875 times:

BDRules said: Skymonster, I work at the airport and it aint all shaggers and boozers

Sure its not all... But the average "quality" of the passengers has gone down.

There's only so many people want to take weekends in Prague, etc, and when they've all done it the market contracts. What NEMA needs for long term sustainability of its route network is regular business travellers who pass through the airport week in, week out. Whilst some of them have adapted to the low-fare-carrier regime, many have gone to BHX where the airlines typically offer a quicker service (in terms of checkin, security, etc), a more reliable service, and the extras such as through checkin, that the regular passenger demands. Fairly soon after Baby started I predicted that the growth wouldn't last, because the low-fare market is too fickle. The only way they can sustain growth is by bringing in new airlines (Ryanair), or by the based airlines introducing new destinations that bring new appeal to the weekend-away folks, and the shaggers and the boozers.

When BMI synically reinvented their NEMA operations as Baby in response to the commencement of services by Go, they did this party because they were scared that Go would take some of the fairly low yield back-cabin traffic which, whilst it didn't make BMI much money, still contributed usefully to their DOCs - even though there was reasonable front-cabin traffic on some routes, the back-cabin made a difference in terms of sustainability of the routes. What actually happened was that they drove away some of the premium traffic, and much of that was the repeat business that the airport needed to sustain and grow its figures over the long term.

What BMI should have done, in reaction to Go, was leave the cheap end of the market to Go, and swapped out the 100 seat Fokkers for 50 seat Jungle Jets operated by BMI Regional - by doing that, they could have retained the top end of the market by delivering what that market wanted, whilst at the same time reducing their dependancy on the back-cabin which they were going to loose anyway.

Anyway, no doubt the numbers will turn upwards again with the start of Ryanair service - this will largely counter the loss of BCN services, and the time it will take Easy to develop Rome and Cologne. The bean counters in the office will no doubt have happy smiling faces again as soon as the numbers coming through the door increases again. But for how long? A few new charter destinations will held, and if Ryanair adds yet more services next winter or the summer after that no doubt the numbers will continue upwards, but if the route network remains fairly static as it has done this last year I see further declines to come in the medium term.

Andy


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