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Need For New Airline On ZRH-GVA & GVA-ZRH?  
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19244 posts, RR: 52
Posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4035 times:

Fares for flights within Switzerland seem very expensive indeed, even for dates months ahead and during the week. For example, a one-way fare on Swiss from Zurich to Geneva in September would be 323 CHF. The return fare is less, but still a lot of money. There is clearly quite a lot of demand between the two cities, evidenced by Swiss operating a number of flights every day.

The high to very high fares and the number of flights by Swiss lead me to believe that a no-frills, low-cost airline could perhaps do quite well in this market, by, for example, operating two 48-seat ATR-42s (one based at Zurich, the other Geneva) and one operating 6 rotations from Zurich to Geneva and the other 6 from Geneva to Zurich per day (perhaps less at the weekend), giving a total of 12 daily flights between Zurich and Geneva and Geneva and Zurich every day (again, perhaps less on the weekend). A total of 576 passengers could be carried every day between Zurich and Geneva and vice-versa. Fares would be priced on a one-way basis and would reflect the demand (so weekends and peak flights would be more expensive than off-peak mid-week flights) and number of current bookings (so essentially the earlier you book, the cheaper the ticket). The turnaround time would be 25 minutes. What do you think? It’d bring low fares and high frequency to those travelling on the Zurich-Geneva-Zurich route.



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User currently offlineDens From Switzerland, joined Sep 2001, 309 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3978 times:

Hi,

It could be a good idea! EasyJez wanted to operate this route but had problem with Zurich Airport. EasyJet said that this airport is far too expensive.
Why not Fly Baboo to operate this route?



User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19244 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3964 times:

Fly Baboo? What on earth does 'Baboo' mean? Sounds like a character from a Disney film.


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User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4121 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3931 times:

Hi

There were rumours last year that a new domestic airline wants to start flights within Switzerland with ATR 42s and PC-12s (!). But it seems that nothing happens at the moment.

The SWISS flights between GVA and ZRH are mainly to feed the ZRH hub with connecting passengers, I don't think that there are a lot of business people going to ZRH for a day and back by plane. The Swiss trains are quite fast and comfortable. And it takes you from city centre to city centre.

Oh and BTW, there is a company called Club Airways, linking GVA with BSL and ZRH (but for prices way too high for me Big grin )

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineEzycrew From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 460 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3893 times:

Despite the high fares, the GVA-ZRH route is not profitable, as it lacks O&D traffic due to its feeder role. However it's an important service for Swiss' image in the French speaking region of Switzerland.
It would be cool if another airline could serve this market, but I doubt LX would remain idle. They would probably lower their fares to the same level as their competitors since they already lose money on the route anyway.
And when I was at EZS, I heard one of the reasons we didn't start GVA-ZRH was because of high fuel taxes for domestic flights. LX's GVA-ZRH-GVA flights are usually continuations of international trips, and they are therefore able to buy most of its fuel tax-free. EZS wanted to have a single plane doing the shuttle and therefore it would not fly internationally.


User currently offlineUnique From Switzerland, joined Mar 2003, 1703 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3872 times:

EasyJez wanted to operate this route but had problem with Zurich Airport. EasyJet said that this airport is far too expensive.

It's very funny that EZY still operates quite a number of flights every day to ZRH from LTN. I thought they have problems with Zurich Airport...? That's only an excuse so they could give up the LGW-flights as they badly needed their LGW-slots for other flights!


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4121 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3860 times:

Unique: According to Ray Webster (easyJet CEO) they will most likely withdraw the ZRH-LTN route very soon as well as the flights from Munich.

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineAirways From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 880 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3850 times:

There's no need for another airline as long as you can do the trip by train almost in the same time. There's just not enough O&D traffic.

Michael


User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3812 times:

There's very little market for O&D ZHR-GVA and v.v. The majority of the traffic is connections at ZRH and much of it is LX online connections, particularly since SR (now LX) substantially reduced the range of destinations they offered direct from GVA. Most city-to-city traffic uses the train.

Andy


User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3784 times:

As said by others, GVA-ZRH vv. is mainly feeder traffic for Swiss and Swiss partners long-haul flights ex ZRH.

There is a train between Zurich/Zurich Airport and Geneva/Geneva Airport which runs every 30min and takes around 3 hrs.



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