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CX Flying To Israel?  
User currently offlineVictor From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 90 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3712 times:

Cathay Pacific Airlines considering flying to Israel

The largest airline in the Far East is reviewing the possibility of operating a flight to Israel, within its intention of establishing flights to Middle East
David Lipkin

The splendor of the Orient is making its way to Israel. The largest Far Eastern airline, Cathay Pacific, is examining the possibility of operating a flight from the Far East to Israel.

Augustus Tang, Cathay Pacific Airline’s Director of Corporate Planning, told Maariv that the move was being examined as part of company plans to establish flights from the Far East to the Middle East.

According to Tang, in light of the increasing travel between Israel and from several Middle Eastern nations to the Far East, the company would like to begin operating flights between the two areas. The fine points are being scrutinized. Tang believes that a decision, to be based on a review of the data and of feasibility, will be made within several months.

Cathay Pacific Airlines is known for showing strong profitability. The company consistently wins numerous prestigious international awards for its service year after year. Based in Hong Kong, the company has a fleet of 94 modern planes, and operates lines from Hong Kong to Los Angeles, New York and European capitals.
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[Edited 2004-05-20 18:01:19]

[Edited 2004-05-20 18:01:45]

36 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3642 times:

A little direct competition on the route cannot hurt.
As of now, EL AL is the only airline operating non stop flights from TLV - far east.


User currently offlineLH600 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 164 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3641 times:

They were also considering flying to Tehran a couple of years ago. What happened? It would be nice having a Far Eastern carrier in Tehran.  Smile

User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5085 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3621 times:

Wow, that would be perfect news for Tel Aviv! It's logic that CX will choose TLV since that's where the business is in the region.


Next trip : DUB-AUH-CGK-DPS-KUL-AUH-CDG-ORK :-)
User currently offlineAC From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2004, 77 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3560 times:

not sure what will be the demand for this routine, but i am quite sure that CX's crew will have another "favourite" destination other than BAH and BOM


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User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1721 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3526 times:

KL911,

how is TLV the place where the business is in the region????



User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3501 times:

Not to turn this into a geography discussion, but a few questions. Which part of Asia is considered the Far East? Where exactly does Southeast Asia start? Finally, what is Japan considered a part of?

I was a bit intrigued by the comment:

The largest Far Eastern airline, Cathay Pacific,

I would assume that SQ is considered SE Asia, but what about JAL and ANA? What is Japan considered? I know that they would be tops in terms of passengers, I believe number of aircraft as well, but perhaps not in terms of RPMs. I guess that it all depends upon how you choose to define largest.


User currently offlineKEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

Far East is another name for Asia-Pacific, which consists of both East Asia (China, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, HK) and Southeast Asia (Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar, Indonesia, Philppines, Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei).

I've read an earlier thread if it would be viable for LY or SQ to serve SIN-TLV. There shouldn't be any problem for SQ to do this, but definitely not LY as they would require permission to use Malaysian airspace - something that would be next to impossible to happen since the two countries have neither diplomatic nor trade relations.

[Edited 2004-05-20 18:54:49]

User currently offlineBluewhite From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2001, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3468 times:

Well, they might just be starting freighter flights....cargo loads to/from Israel are apparently good.

BW


User currently offlineAsbg From Israel, joined Feb 2000, 538 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3465 times:

Great News!
I can't wait to see the CX aircraft on the highway passing the airport  Big thumbs up

Sam.


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3405 times:

Yep! I know all about with new nonstop from HKG-TLV very soon and it is competition of LY flight to TLV.

User currently offlineShlomoz From Israel, joined Jun 2000, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3391 times:

how is TLV the place where the business is in the region????

Easy - if I am not mistaken - little Israel is #3 (after the U.S. and Canada) with corporate listings on the NASDAQ. Top-rate player in technology with just about every major hardware and software company having an R&D facility in one of Herziliya, Haifa, Jerusalem - or all 3. As a matter of fact, Intel has 3 huge facilities in Israel wherein the most recent Pentium's were developed (not sure about manufacture). Also - something like 75% of the DSS boxes in the world use Made-in-Israel smartcard and security technology. Then there is Teva which is the #1 generic pharmaceutical manufacturer in the world. I could go on with examples - but I think you get my point.

You aren't going to find anything like this anywhere near Israel. We may not have oil, but we certainly seem to have enough brainpower to be powering a heck of a lot of technology used by a heck of a lot people in everyday life.

So its not surprising at all that Cathay Pacific is considering service to TLV. As it is right now there is a great deal of biz travel to the Far East from TLV, not to mention the leisure biz.


User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3384 times:

Would CX have to fly a circuitous route around the Gulf States to get to Israel, like El Al does? Though the Arab world certainly doesn't have a problem with HK, I doubt they'd be too happy, if asked, with the possibility of any foreign carrier using their airspace to get to Israel.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineCarfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1834 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3302 times:

I am sure that CX will try to stop at BKK to get some additional O&D traffic for the Tel Aviv route, if it is possible. Surprisingly, El AL's Tel Aviv service is quite popular... there is always the demand for cargo as well. An Airbus A330 or 340 will be perfect for this route -- long, thinner route.

Let see if this will happen...

Carfield



User currently offlineEx_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1435 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3273 times:

I've read an earlier thread if it would be viable for LY or SQ to serve SIN-TLV. There shouldn't be any problem for SQ to do this, but definitely not LY as they would require permission to use Malaysian airspace

SQ has looked at TLV on and off for some time. Any such service would be politically sensitive, of course, hence no ops.

[Edited 2004-05-20 20:42:40]

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3215 times:

A CX flight between HKG and TLV would be a success for CX if it was launched, say 3 times weekly with an A343. A connection between SIN and TLV would also be successful. As pointed out above, there is potential business traffic for the route (technology and trade), along with leisure passengers going to and leaving from Israel, plus either CX or SQ could tap into the Israel-Australia market - its not a huge market but it is signficant as many Israelis have family and other connections to Australia - and fares are quite high; many pax backtrack from TLV to Europe to pick up flights to Australia.

I am well aware of world politics and the difficult situation regarding Israel, and a discussion of those issues is not appropriate for this site, but why would either CX or SQ serving Israel be politically sensitive? Just about every European airline has mainline and/or charter flights into Israel, and all of those airlines provide service to Arab and Islamic nations as well, so I do not understand the point.

Regarding security at TLV, yes its tough, it has to be. EL AL has its own standards (which many find uncomfortable, but there is no chioce) but other airlines also impose heightened standards. Even with these higher secuirty standards, BA, LH, CO, AF, and many others successfully serve Israel, as could CX or SQ.


User currently offlineEx_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1435 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

why would either CX or SQ serving Israel be politically sensitive?

Singapore has a sizeable Muslim population (about 15%) and it is surrounded by two Muslim neighbours (Malaysia and Indonesia). Singapore and Israel have ties, and they are a sore point with the neighbouring states. In fact, a visit in (circa) 1987 by the then Israeli Prime Minister to Singapore drew protests from Malaysia and started a diplomatic row.


User currently offlineCx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week ago) and read 3068 times:

Don't think too many HKG people will like to goto TLV
Agree with AC, the CAbin Crews will definitely have a "FUN" time on that flight.

I guess it will also be a 2 Class aircraft like BOM/DXB/BAH etc.........


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week ago) and read 3029 times:

I have heard CX is looking at a number of new destinations in the Middle East. I know they have been looking at serving Beirut, this is according to the Lebanese Transport Minister......

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineJutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2938 times:

This site is starting to be more like a dictatorship everyday.

User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2876 times:

Jutes85,

well said, now we will both get deleted  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineAC From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2004, 77 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

...CX is looking at a number of new destinations in the Middle East....

Are Middle East routines really important to CX? Anyone know how is the current performance of CX in Middle East? From its website, only combined SE Asia + Middle East results is released...



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User currently offlineDab920 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2001, 108 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

As a side note, CX is hoping to launch it's HKG-DXB-IST service this octoer.

User currently offlineQm001 From Portugal, joined Mar 2004, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

I my opionion, I would suggest that IST or BEY would be a better Business route. Also it would be a lot safer and much easier on CX's neutral Image.

QM 001 (167 Air Malawi)



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User currently offlineUltrapig From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 580 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2625 times:
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N754:

I e-mail me your deleted post-I am a big believer in free speech whether your post was pro-Israel or anti Israel free speech is the best policy. Freedom of the press and Speech itself sets israel apart fromt he rest of the middel east.

Ultrapig


25 CXCPA : I don't think that CX fly to Israel is a good decision. Flying to Israel may increase the operation cost, such insurance and the tighten security meas
26 Avi : While it will be grate to see CX in TLV I simply don’t see it happen in the near future. As I said in the past, I don’t see Israel let CX to fly t
27 AC : ..don’t see Israel let CX to fly the short route while El-Al has to make a big detour... Why? a 4-hour detour seems a long distance...
28 Avi : Why? a 4-hour detour seems a long distance... Exactly. Who will fly with El-Al if the flight will be 4 hours longer? It will be the end of the routes
29 4xRuv : Avi, It's not only an Israeli problem, no Arab country will allow a flight with a TLV destination to fly over it's airspace
30 CX773 : I dont think CX will fly to TLV in the next few years. SVO is the next new destination for CX.
31 GuyBetsy1 : I agree with all the comments above. I don't forsee CX flying this alone. They need to codeshare with EL AL. But as 4xRuv indicated, CX will have to r
32 OD720 : Avi, 4xRuv is right, CX has to take the same long route to get to TLV. Eastbound flights from Israel are a little problematic. Btw, has anyone thought
33 Diesel33 : GuyBetsy1... Indonesians and Malaysians are allowed into Israel, not vice versa. Granted there is a lot of red tape involved should a citizen of any o
34 KEno : Malaysian citizens are not allowed to enter Israel. Our passport clearly says that "this passport is valid for travel to all countries except Israel"
35 AC : it seems CX will face even more difficulties in flying to TLV than flying to Shanghai or Xiamen...
36 Amirs : just to clear up some issues ... 1. El Al to HKG does not actually add "too" much to the route, on the average only about 2 - 2.5 hours. Since it flie
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