747firstclass From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (9 years 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2437 times:
I was just making reservation on UA from IAD-DEN for July 13 and return July 20. By accident I typed in DCA instead of IAD. To my astonishment, I saw that UaAwill be having 2 nonstops from DCA-DEN on July 13. I have no idea when that serive starts or even UA is able to operate that flights as it is outside the perimeter rule at DCA and I didnt think they had permission to do it.
Also, in a very brief search of return flights I did not find a nonstop DEN-DCA flight. However, I plan to search some more. Is there anybody out there who can shed light and details on this rather interesting development. Many thanks.
Frugalqxnwa From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 565 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2381 times:
F9 has been operating nonstop DCA-DEN service for quite some time now, and I am glad to see UA finally being able to do the same. I do not know the exact reasoning for limiting airlines to the perimiter out of DCA, whether political or practical, but the 757, A320, A319, and 737NG should be able to go transcon from DCA no problem.
InnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 16 Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2155 times:
DCA is much more convenient for the business/institutional traveler. Since there is such a commuter corridor along the east coast, they wanted to make DCA more specifically available for those types of travlers. If they went to IAD, it would be less worth it for those people to fly in the first place.
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F9Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 689 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1943 times:
The perimeter restriction around DCA is 1500 nm. This is just far enough to take in MIA, MSP, STL, MCI, DFW and IAH. There are also slot and time restrictions to regulate noise. You also have the restricted airspace above the White House making approaches rather tricky. There are also noise abatement procedures for the residents of Arlington and Alexandria in Virginia as well as parts of the District of Columbia and Maryland.
I think we owe a lot to Senator McCain for helping relax the perimeter restrictions. After all, how do you think PHX got those non-stops?
F9Widebody From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 11 Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1882 times:
Slightly off topic, but does anyone know if the approach traffic still comes straight over the Lincoln Memorial? I was there in '02 and it was the coolest thing at night - you would say this haze on the roofline, then a roar and a plane would come soaring over.
RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8740 posts, RR: 52 Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1834 times:
F9Fan, the DCA perimeter is 1250miles. You might be confusing it with the LGA perimeter, which is 1500 miles (no perimeter extensions, except for on Saturdays). All those destinations are within 1250 miles. DFW is close, but just under.
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Ord From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1370 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1677 times:
"UAL is indeed playing follow the leader!"
This is hardly true. United applied for the DEN-DCA slots the first go-around many years ago, but Frontier got the slots because the preference was to give them to smaller carriers (i.e. Frontier, America West, Midwest, etc.).
Frugalqxnwa From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 565 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1568 times:
Back to the perimiter thing...
The commuter traffic at DCA is great, but there is probably already that much or more commuter traffic at IAD. The Washington metropolitan area is now more than large enough to support both airports without the perimiter around DCA, and it would be good for compitition if the perimiter were removed. The exemtion slots are a move in the right direction, and I am glad to see them.
Jc2354 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 536 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1537 times:
<"the perimeter rule at LGA does not apply on Saturday">
So, there could be Saturday only non-stop service between LGA and the West Coast, Puerto Rico, etc.?
If not now, then when?
25 DEN-HNL: @UAL777contrail Great "legacy" there. Can't manage a dime and continuously getting bailed out by Uncle Sam.
26 MSYtristar: People at UAL are sorely mistaken if they think that they are taking market share away from F9 on new, competing routes, whether they be mainline, Ted
27 AirportGuy1971: Goodness, did I touch a nerve. Not trying to tick anyone off. The original statement of Nice to see another F9 route UAL will enter. seemed to be just
28 Gigneil: So, there could be Saturday only non-stop service between LGA and the West Coast, Puerto Rico, etc.? These services, in fact, do exist. US and ATA bot
29 Cjuniel: MSYtristar, You couldn't be MORE wrong. United is the #1 airline from Denver to the Washington, DC area. There are several flights daily from DEN-BWI,
30 Mariner: Cjuniel: The debate (argument?) is not whether UAL will do well - obviously it will do well on DEN/DCA, just as it does well on DEN/IAD and DEN/BWI. T
31 MSYtristar: Cjuniel, huh? I never questioned UA's significant prescence in the DEN-D.C market. Re-read my post my friend. To reiterate.... * F9 will have 3 DEN-DC
32 DCAYOW: The perimeter at DCA has been gradually increased over time. There was a time when Dallas and Minneapolis were not within the perimeter and that chang
33 Timz: (I'm not home now, so this is not guaranteed 100% correct, but should be close.) IAD opened circa 1962 and scheduled jet flights at DCA started in 196
34 FA4UA: We're talking about traveling between two strong points for UA... DC area and DEN, where we are the dominant carrier in both metro areas. (Even more n
35 UAL777CONTRAIL: MARINER, "ual777contrail seems convinced that somehow F9 is responsible for UAL's woes, and moans about it as much as he can"? don't be an ass mariner
36 MSYtristar: UAL777, how will one flight "take market share back?" I'm just not convinced that that will happen. Sure, the service will entice loyal United custome
37 Gigneil: I will, without question, pay a bit more to fly on the UA metal from DCA and not have to drive out to IAD and park. N
38 Mariner: UAL777CONTRAIL: I think you just proved my point - but what the hey? I have tried to debate this rationally with you in the past, and I get nowhere. Y
39 Ual777contrail: Proved your point? Mariner you have proved nothing. If it makes you feel better to think you have one up, have it. But make sense next time you try to
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