7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2 Posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2310 times:
I cannot find the thread that discussed this before so i apologize for "restarting" it. Wasn't there a rumor that WN was going to go to hawaii and take over one of the airlines there? I know it sounds crazy but i was just wondering if Southwest will ever start service in Hawaii.
The next generation of aircraft is just around the corner!
Bubbinski From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 159 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2206 times:
I'd love to see it happen, but I doubt it. Yeah, I remember some chatter in the past about this, but WN would have to get ETOPS approval and dedicate some planes with ETOPS approval, overwater survival equipment and the like. Now if they retrofitted all their birds like that and served the Caribbean and Alaska too, maybe a Hawaii run from LAS, PHX, SLC, LAX, SJC, SEA, SAN would work. (The 73G with winglets could do it). WN already flies transcontinental flights now, they just need to beef up their service a little bit for those.
Another thing is they'd probably need to revamp Rapid Rewards....or else I'd simply fly 8 flights to Phoenix to see family and spend my ticket on a SLC-HNL run
Finally, other posts about interisland runs have said that Aloha tried using 737-300's and 400's on those routes and their engines had too much wear and tear, the planes WN flies (73G, 733, 735) aren't really designed for interisland runs. If WN ever flew to Hawaii maybe they could find a use for their 732's which are proven on interisland service.
Drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4966 posts, RR: 8 Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2191 times:
highly doubtful--this topic has been exhausted. So without flaming you for not using the 'search'--it goes against the Southwest model--there are many points in the lower 48 that they can extend service to profitably. I would expect to see them in Alaska before Hawaii; and that in itself is probably decades away.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2154 times:
The rumor started in large part because a SWA 737-700 was seen over in Hawaii a few years ago. The aircraft had not yet been delivered from Boeing to SWA, and another airline (in Hawaii) wanted to run some test flights with a -700 to/from the mainland, so Boeing "lent" them the SWA aircraft for the tests.
With all the domestic opportunities on the mainland, I think it'll be at least the year 2030 before you'll see SWA in Hawaii, i.e. not likely.....
Ssides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 22 Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2147 times:
For the last time, NO.
The primary reason is that Hawaii has probably the highest percentage of leisure travelers of any US destination. WN serves some leisure destinations, true, but none as leisure-oriented as HNL.
To understand why WN will likely never do this high-leisure route, you must understand the Rapid Rewards program. Unlike other airlines that limit reward travel to a few seats on each flight, a WN reward ticket is good for any seat on any flight (with a few blackout dates). It is not hard to get a free ticket on WN, all you have to do is fly 8 round-trips (or 4 round-trips if they are booked online; this is a recurring promotion). Under this system, you could fly AUS-HOU (140 miles) round-trip 4 times, and you could redeem a free ticket to Hawaii. Just about all of WN's tickets to Hawaii would probably be booked this way. Therefore, if WN were to start Hawaii service, it would either have to take a huge loss by generating minimal revenue on the flights, or restrict the use of Rapid Rewards tickets on the flights. The former isn't going to happen, and the latter would probably make passengers angry, which WN doesn't want to do. I just don't see it happening.
Bubbinski From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 159 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2084 times:
"all you have to do is fly 8 round-trips (or 4 round-trips if they are booked online; this is a recurring promotion)"
Unfortunately that promotion ended as of December 31, 2003 :-( I got 2 free trips out of the deal before it did. But now you get one extra credit if you book on line - so you can get a free trip with 6 roundtrips.
Coronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1591 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1776 times:
Leisure passengers or not, remember that there are no roads from the mainland to Hawaii. No trains and no passengers ships either (that I can recall). So the only way is to fly. Flights to Hawaii shouldn't be an expensive one-a-day event but a frequent and cheap air bridge. Give it time.
Swardu From United States of America, joined May 2004, 79 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1310 times:
Any service to Hawaii, I think, is far down the list of priorities for WN. The cost involved in purchasing overwater equip would be high for starters. Secondly, you'd take the flexibility out of the 700 fleet as only certain aircraft could fly overwater while others could not, so if you had a mechanical on an overwater aircraft, you're pretty well screwed because you could not substitute another 700 in it's place unless it was overwater equipped. The only other way I know, which has been talked about in circles over at LAS is a possible Aloha/Southwest merger, but I seriously doubt that will happen for quite a long time. There are bigger fish to fry with PHL right now.