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Future Of The 757  
User currently offlineCougarAviator From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 349 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4079 times:

Is it true that Boeing will stop production? If so why?

I'm not sure if the topic has already been discussed.

It's just a shame to see such a pretty bird go into "production retirement"....

I've always been a big fan of the 757......




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User currently offlineAirways6max From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4063 times:

Boeing announced the end of the 757 line a year ago. This is old news. However, I'm sure the 757 will still be flying for another thirty years.

User currently offlineFLYtoEGCC From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 947 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4030 times:

The reason why is that it just wasn't selling in the numbers required to make it viable any more. Also, to some extent it would have competed with the 7E7, so with orders barely trickling in, Boeing decided to end production.

I agree that it's sad, the 757 is a great aircraft.



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User currently offlineCougarAviator From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 349 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4007 times:

What is it about the 757 that makes it so unattractive to buyers?

And why would the 737 be more attractive?




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User currently offlineUsairways16bwi From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1004 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3946 times:

this may be sad, but true. the 737 is doing much better than the 757.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3901 times:

And why would the 737 be more attractive?

Because the 737NGs & A32x can do just about everything the 752s can do, except transatlantics; and they can do it with less aggregate cost.



User currently offlineFrugalqxnwa From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 565 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3901 times:

First of all, the 757 market has been beed from below with the A321 and 738/739 seating only marginally fewer passengers. Since most airlines that require new 180-200 seat aircraft already fly the 737 or A320, why introduce a completely new aircraft to their fleets? Secondly, the airliner market has been terrible for a few years now, and airlines are looking to smaller aircraft to provide higher frquencies instead of larger aircraft to increase capacity with the same frequency.

The bright side of the coin is that the 757 has much better airfield performance than either the 739 or A321, so used 757s will probably sell like hotcakes in the not too distant future (i.e. the rumor about HP buying ex-National 757s). These lovely birds will be flying for quite some time to come since they still have excellent economics and meet stage 4 noise standards.


User currently offlineVorticity From United States of America, joined May 2004, 337 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

Aviation Partners Boeing has signed up with Continental to certify and place winglets on CO's 757's. Once certified other carriers will have the opportunity to add the winglets to their 757's, which should improve their performance, and extend their usefulness as used aircraft through the years. Unfortunately, the demand wasn't there to keep the line in production.

[Edited 2004-05-21 22:12:45]


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User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3642 times:

I still don't understand to this day the move by Boeing to kill the 757. No orders? Bull. Hell, they only have orders for 5 777LR's and yet they are continuing with that.

User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3633 times:

how short are they going to make the shrink 7E7, because the current one is the same size as an A300 and that's quite a bit bigger than the 757.

User currently offlineJe89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2357 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3598 times:
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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3556 times:

I still don't understand to this day the move by Boeing to kill the 757. No orders? Bull. Hell, they only have orders for 5 777LR's and yet they are continuing with that.

There's a difference.

One is a new airframe with a bright future, being built on a hot line that builds other fast selling types.

The other is a 20 year old airframe being squeezed from both above and below, that shares no common production line.

N

[Edited 2004-05-22 04:52:23]

User currently offlineFrugalqxnwa From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 565 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3451 times:

Boeing nut,

To add to what Gigneil already said, the 777LR is a dirivative of the 777, and the 777 line is doing very well. The 757 was an entire airframe program. The 777LRs can be weaseled onto the 777 production line, while the 757 is a production line all by itself.


User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

One is a new airframe with a bright future, being built on a hot line that builds other fast selling types.

I doubt they'll sell more than 50 because it' a niche' aircraft.


User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 743 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3222 times:

The question asks, the future of the 757: One of them seems, to fly for LB! That would be great because it would displace the good and reknown, but really old 727's.

User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1747 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3098 times:

"I'm sure the 757 will still be flying for another thirty years. "

Sure as hell! Even after they get too old for passenger services they will continue as freighters.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2987 times:

I doubt they'll sell more than 50 because it' a niche' aircraft.

First of all, Boeing has two trump cards with the 772LR that could easily increase that airframe's sales.... should the market dictate.

But anywho, and more importanly... it doesnt really matter how many of the 772LRs are sold post launch, because as has been said earlier, it costs Boeing virtually nothing to continue offering them as they're built on the same line as other 777 types.

Boeing however, could close a lagging porduction line, and then take a more than hundred-million dollarwriteoff by ending 757 production. Plain and simple.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7524 posts, RR: 43
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2912 times:

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that Boeing is going to launch a longer-range version of the 739, which project is currently named 739X or something like that. This would be, in my opinion, the replacement of the 752.


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2859 times:

The launch is still not 100% certain, and while the aircraft would most likely prove an adequate counterpart in the transcon market, it will not be a perfect replacement for the 752's performance.

User currently offlineDreamcraft From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Nov 2003, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

The 757 is one of my favourite a/c, both to fly and to look at while spotting. AA recently replaced it's 738 service to Antigua with 752's much to my delight. It's performance is loads better!!!

It's a pity economics should dictate the production demise of this beautiful bird!


User currently offlineRj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1753 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2777 times:
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I think this whole thread can be summed up in 2 words:
"What Future?"


User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

First of all, Boeing has two trump cards with the 772LR that could easily increase that airframe's sales.... should the market dictate.

Care to elaborate?


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2566 times:

Care to elaborate?

Not really, seeing as I've done it ten thousand and one times here before.

Nutshell: freighter, superMTOW 772ER


User currently offlineUltrapig From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 580 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2539 times:
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I've asked this before but no one seems to know the answer-when I enter a 757 it seems to be bigger than a 737-is this an illuision. I know the width are the same. Is the 757 fuselage more oblong and thus higher-or is it that it sits higher off the ground?

User currently offlineVorticity From United States of America, joined May 2004, 337 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2453 times:

I've asked this before but no one seems to know the answer-when I enter a 757 it seems to be bigger than a 737-is this an illuision. I know the width are the same. Is the 757 fuselage more oblong and thus higher-or is it that it sits higher off the ground?


757 Interior Cabin Width: 3.5m
Body Exterior Width: 3.7m

737 Interior Cabin Width: 3.4m
Body Exterior Width: 3.7m



Thermodynamics and english units don't mix...
25 Post contains images 7E72004 : Northwest will fly theirs for at least another 50 years
26 Ultrapig : but how about the height of the cabin
27 Post contains images Boeing nut : Care to elaborate? Not really, seeing as I've done it ten thousand and one times here before. Thanks anyway.
28 Post contains images Bragi : What aircraft could serve the same routes as the B757? That is, carry approx. 200 people 3800 NM? The 737 family lacks the range and the A330 is too b
29 Boeing nut : Nutshell: freighter, superMTOW 772ER I think you meant one other trump card. The 772LR is nothimg more than a "superMTOW 772ER".
30 7E72004 : Doesn't NW have the oldest fleet in the US airline list?
31 Post contains links and images September11 : 757s will never stop flying even if they are covered with snow View Large View MediumPhoto © Ross Paulson
32 Cun757 : Its sad to see that the must beautiful plane its gone...
33 EAL757 : Northwest will fly theirs for at least another 50 years Darn right, and they should. Their DC-9's are reliable and the 75 has always been a reliable p
34 ConcordeBoy : I think you meant one other trump card. I think you missed the italicized comma...
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