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Air Canada And The A380 Will It Ever Happen  
User currently offlineFiedman From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 211 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 13177 times:

With all the talk about the Airbus A380 I thought I'd throw my two cents in with Air Canada now setting its problems with its unions could we see an A380 in Air Canada colors within the next TEN YEARS. and if Air Canada would get the A380 what routes would they fly on.

My thoughts.
YVR to:
KIX
NRT
HKG
LHR
CDG
AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA
YYZ

YYZ to:
LHR
CDG
AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA
NRT
YUL

YUL to:
LHR
CDG
AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA
YYZ

I know this may all sound like wishful thinking but isn't that the point of this discussion forum to post ideas no matter how far fetched they might seem. Well that was my idea


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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 13165 times:

Maybe will ever hear about AC want to orders with new A380 anytime soon or maybe not.

User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2386 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 13156 times:

Have AC got themselves sorted then?

User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2017 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 13155 times:
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Dude,
change your medication!!!  Wink/being sarcastic

AC can't even stay profitable with the fleet it currently has, and you want to add more capacity? Whatever you're smoking... share!  Smokin cool



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User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 13140 times:

Maybe if Airbus made a combi version AC would be interested but i doubt they would choose an all pax A380. Weren't/aren't all of their 744's combi's?

User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 13122 times:

isn't that the point of this discussion forum to post ideas no matter how far fetched they might seem

Not really.

But that hasn't seemed to stop folks in the past....


User currently offlineYUL332LX From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 13065 times:

In the next 10 years (or even 20 years), the biggest plane AC will operate is the A346 (if they ever get them!).

AC does not need the A380. The only routes I see are YYZ-LHR and YUL-CDG. Does it justify the acquisition of 2 A380? I don’t think so…



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User currently offlineBeechNut From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 731 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 13044 times:

"Maybe if Airbus made a combi version AC would be interested but i doubt they would choose an all pax A380. Weren't/aren't all of their 744's combi's?"

Yes and no. The ones Air Canada ordered were indeed combis. The ones they inherited from the Canadian merger were all pax. And as a hint to what ails AC (among other things), the Air Canada machines (-433 Combis), have P&W engines. The ex-CP machines had GE engines (same problem with the 767-300s).

The ex-CP, all pax 747-475s are now gone and the combis are slated to be retired from the AC fleet in the autumn but who knows. AC is actually acutely short of capacity for overseas. But what they REALLY need are more A330s.

Mike
C-GTLM


User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 12991 times:

As YUL332LX stated, hardly any of these routes would likely require that sort of capacity. Yes, the YYZ-LHR and YUL-CDG routes could probably support the 380, as well as the YVR-HKG route. However, very few others have that sort of passenger traffic. Why spend the costs to introduce it for so few routes.

As Roberta said, unless they make a combi version of the 380, they have no need for that much capacity. To my knowledge, there are no plans...although that would be interesting to see how they would make that a combi...lower deck cargo and upper deck passengers?

I agree that when they get things sorted out (I prefer the optimistic approach!  Smile) the ideal longhaul aircraft for them will be the 333, 345, and 346. Perhaps the 332 would be good for some really thin routes (anyone know how the S. America routes do?...they still have some, right?).


User currently offlineYYZ4RADD From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12891 times:

Its funny this topic started today.

I just heard from an Air Canada employee that they were in talks to consider the A380 at the same time they went for the A345 / A346 order with Airbus. Their initial RFP was for 10 A380's for the runs to LHR / AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA / DEL / HKG / PEK (future route) / SHA (future), SIN and NRT (more business revenue).

I was surprised when I heard this from this lady (who was up there in the inside management). Apparently she worked on the proposal for them.

She said for stupid management reasons they settled for 2 A345 and 3 A346. She felt that these numbers were inadequate. Her opinion was the management is preventing AC from becoming a top airline.

Also her mention was that management made another blunder by buying so many regional jets when AC has been losing so much regional revenue to WestJet, Jetsgo. Her opinon was that AC future lies in ULR and international flights (I agree with her, she is right) and AC should concentrate more on International.

Apparently some up there in the upper management keeps on making decisions to put AC back into some spiralling loop of going down.

Her wish now is that the Germans take over and fire all the upper management to make AC more profitable. Similar to what happened at Chrysler when Benz took over and turfed the idiot managers who tried to bankrupt Chrysler three times.

She envies Emirates / Qantas / BA and even OS a lot
Regards,

YYZ4RADD


User currently offlineAirways6max From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12835 times:

I think it is very unlikely because none of Air Canada's routes could fill an A380 and make a profit. Remember, it was not long ago that Air Canada was considering selling off its entire 747 fleet, thinking THAT was too big.

User currently offlineBA97 From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12763 times:

I can not see any one route where a 380 makes sense. The LHR route is so successful because of fequency. If they did not have that tons of us would have switched to BA or Virgin (when they were in yyz). Frankfurt is good but Luf shares the route. If they run it like a mega bus - stop in LHR, then place x and place y maybe.


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User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 12590 times:

How anyone can operate a 744 let alone a 380 on a low-cost airline model is beyond my guessing. The biggest aircraft AC intends to operate in the near future is the 340-600, assuming they get the required financing....

[Edited 2004-05-22 19:27:05]


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User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12449 times:

I just hope AC keeps flying...period.

AC is not going to order the A380. What it needs is mega union ball-busting!



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