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CX HKG-SYD To Go 3X Daily In Aug 2004?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6034 times:

My travel consultant told me that Cathay Pacific will go TRIPLE DAILY on HKG-SYD starting from August 2004. Can anyone confirm that? If this is true, what aircraft will they use?



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User currently offlineCX773 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2001, 365 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5934 times:

I think your travel consultant is wrong. CX has no intention to operate triple daily to SYD this year. CX will operate double daily to MEL this summer.

User currently offlineFly_airbus From Australia, joined Oct 2000, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5814 times:

CX773, I think your comment is wrong  Wink/being sarcastic. I have confirmation from various people in CX management that triple daily HKG-SYD will start when the southern summer schedule begins in late Oct.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5807 times:

Travel agents shouldn't be wrong.

Anyone have the confirmed answer?


User currently offlineFly_airbus From Australia, joined Oct 2000, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5776 times:

I am absolutely positive that they are not starting triple daily from August - there has been rumour that they might start the third service in August with a few flights a week, leading to triple daily by late Oct.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5747 times:

If that's the case then good news indeed.

What aircraft will they use? A 330-300 I guess?


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12428 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5702 times:

Maybe the confusion arose from the recent bilateral deal announced between HK and Australia; there will be a HK carrier flying a new service between HK and Sydney, but this will be Dragonair. Can't rule out a third CX flight, of course, but with such a number of flights, surely it would make more sense to increase capacity on existing flights, for example by using 744s instead of A330s.



User currently offlineCx773 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2001, 365 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5644 times:

sorry.. correction... it may start later this year but no official announcement yet. It wont start HKG-SYD triple daily in August. That's for sure.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days ago) and read 5584 times:

So what aircraft will they use? Umm...... A 330s?

User currently offlineAC From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2004, 77 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5540 times:

i feel it is closely related to KA's new service to SYD. CX wants to have a flight close to KA's schedule. It is similar to KA's action (increased frequencies) before CX started its HKG-PEK service.


I Believe I Can Fly...
User currently offlineChinaeastern From China, joined Apr 2004, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5500 times:

It's kind of unfare now as KA will be able to operate HKG-SYD route and will have a much better connection to any cities in mainland over CX. Even if CX get the right to fly to PVG 3 times daily, still not fare regarding to its size. what the hell those authorities are doing these days

User currently offlineAir Taiwan From Australia, joined Dec 1999, 1518 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5455 times:

That's not fair at all, agree 100%.

However, since when has the Chinese government been "fair" at all when it comes to what they want?

Jimmy


User currently offlineCarnoc From China, joined Oct 2001, 875 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5407 times:

Well, the authorities in China have to consider other Mainland-based carriers as well (although KA does want to play the game with Cathay Pacific as well).

If MU hasn't always put STRONG objections to Cathay Pacific's proposal of entering the Shanghai market, then I do believe it would be a lot easier for Cathay Pacific to be approved by the Civil Aviation Administration of China (MU had publicly put strong objections to Cathay Pacific on its plan in entering China at least three or four times [which two of them were being reported by local media])...

So, blame MU first, and the government authorities come next...

Best Regards.


User currently offlineAir Taiwan From Australia, joined Dec 1999, 1518 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5346 times:

Isn't MU owned by the CAAC?

User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5311 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5326 times:

In August it seems that both SYD flights will be operated with 333's.

The 346 is listed to return from the start of the Northern Winter schedules starting late October.

No sign yet of additional flights, they will have a press release first i'm sure.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5320 times:

Any chance that they will upgrade the SYD flights to B 747-400s again?

User currently offlineCX773 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2001, 365 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5251 times:

If it's relaly triple daily, 2 of them will be 330 and the other one is 340. CX doesn't have enough 744.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5247 times:

They used to fly B 747-400s to Sydney.

HKG-LHR will go triple daily B 747-400 from what i heard.

HKG-SYD is always full from what I heard.


User currently offlineCarnoc From China, joined Oct 2001, 875 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5221 times:

Air Taiwan,

Nope, MU isn't owned by CAAC, it is partly owned by Chinese government (no doubt, the government ownership is over 50%), but not CAAC [CAAC is only an acting department, which in charges civil aviation affairs, under the China's Central Government].

Also, MU's private ownership has risen dramatically in last couple fo years, especially in late 2003 & early this year [mainly through share purchasing].

Cheers.


User currently offlineAir Taiwan From Australia, joined Dec 1999, 1518 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5142 times:

Thanks Carnoc for the explanation.

Where would I be able to find the ownership structure of MU and other Chinese airlines?

Thanks

Jimmy


User currently offlineBacxboys From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5111 times:

Hey United Airline

FYI the HKG/LHR is already 3 daily.....2x747 and 1 A340.
We hope to go 3x747 from Winter shed in October.

Cant wait to see back of the Airbus quite Frankly!!



User currently offlineCX773 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2001, 365 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days ago) and read 5064 times:

HKG-SYD is only around 100-150passengers these days. CX101 is using A340-300 instead of A340-600. The 346 are getting ready for the HKG-JFK flight.

User currently offlineCathay250 From Hong Kong, joined Aug 1999, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5040 times:

Sorry but i just can't get the idea of blaming MU of not allowing CX fly to Shanghai, and gov't next.

As what Carnoc suggested, MU was owned over 50% by the govt and CAAC is govt agency, I just can't seperate two of them when looking at who oppose CX back to China, also i would wonder why MU has such great power to say who can land in PVG.

And it's definitely an unfair game, KA gets Tokyo, Sydney, Bangkok, Taipei, and whenever they get the right, they can operate a reasonable frequency on these routes. But on the other hand they opposite CX to fly to Beijing Shanghai and Xiamen, saying that's their only profitable route, and recently, they opposite CRairways's application to Gualin, Chengsha, Tinjian etc saying they are still losing money on the route!!!! The mainland Chinese fear competition is the conclusion i can think of.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4970 times:

Heard that KA wants HKG-LHR too. What aircraft will they use between HKG and SYD? A 330-300s I guess? With or without PTVs? Without I guess in order to keep the cost low? Actually any PTVs on their business class?

Guess CX already got the rights between HKG and Shanghai.

What's up with HKG-SYD lately? Used to be full. What about HKG-LHR? Heard that its full all year round.


User currently offlineSenliture From Australia, joined May 2000, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4950 times:

KA is now owned by a Chinese company while CX's largest shareholder is the British Swire Group. Now you get why Chinese government doesn't want CX to fly to China? CX has the highest service level among China-HKG legs, leading them by a hell lot. If CX joins the market the other airlines especially their business class' business will have direct impact. That is a dirty trick. KA just want to stop CX to expand in China by using political tricks while their biggest emery is themselves, their services is bad compare to CX. Remember the Beijing-Hong Kong flight of CX? Even thought CX can only take the bad time slot and 3 times a week, they are still doing very well. They don't want that to happen for Shanghai legs.

25 AC : Agreed with Senliture. KA's profitability will be seriously affected if CX runs HKG-Shanghai and HKG-Xiamen, two major profitable routines of KA. KA c
26 United Airline : Any PTVs on KA's A 330 Business Class??? Will they install PTVs specially for HKG-SYD?????
27 The Coachman : May is generally quiet, once school holidays start in the Northern summer, HKG is full. I have a relative at CX, says the schedules are packed for sum
28 Calvin99 : all KA aircraft once got refurbrished will have PTV on first class and business only.. no PTV will be available for economy class... check out this we
29 Post contains links Cx251 : Calvin99: all KA aircraft once got refurbrished will have PTV on first class and business only.. no PTV will be available for economy class... Just a
30 Calvin99 : thanx Cx251 for the correction.. i find it realli surprising that no PTV available for J..!!
31 United Airline : Only on their A 330s I guess? Others?
32 Cathay250 : I think you might be even more surprise if you know that they are just showing "Roadshow" which is same as those boadcasting on the public buses in HK
33 Musapapaya : hi CX 250, What? Roadshow? Are you serious? i miss the roadshow on buses, gonna watch them more this summer!
34 BBD : On a related note, QF has applied to the IASC to extend its current QF187 (the late afternoon flight from SYD to HKG) to LHR 3 times per week from Nov
35 Cx123 : I don't agree with you CX773, I just travelled from SYD-HKG 2 days ago and I am going back tonight. Both Flights are overbook in ALL Class!!! I think
36 Cathay250 : I think food in CX J still has its distinctive features to Y class, like u got a decent entree or stater which i think is the best in my opinion, as w
37 CX773 : CX123, here's the loading for HKG-SYD-HKG: 20May CX111 Actual load/Capacity 199/251 , CX110 130/251 CX101 121/243, CX100 228/243 21May CX111 213/251,
38 Cx123 : Cathay250 I can tell you that the food service have deterioted!! They did serve a third meal (Snack service) from HKG-SYD (usually duck noodles or pi
39 Cathay250 : Thx CX123, I am still interested to know about the J-class snack serivces, maybe could you post the menu there? The first time i flew on CX to MEL (wh
40 Post contains images N949WP : Cathay250, Are you serious about the "Roadshow" bit on KA?? Boy oh boy, do I hate being a captive audience to those crappy programs and corny infomerc
41 CX773 : CX123, last night CX111 and 101 (25 May) were just 144 and 120 pax only. these are the actual passengers onboard. for CX 110 today (26 May) , there ar
42 Cx123 : CX773, Are you sure about the figures?? Becuase I was on CX101 from HKG-SYD on J Class last night Y Class = really full J Class = all full F Class = 2
43 Cathay250 : Hi N949WP, As for the "roadshow" i am sure it was still the case until March which was my last contect to the person i know who is a KA FA. In fact wh
44 The Coachman : I'm surprised no-one's questioned Cx123's credibility, he can't seem to back up his "the plane's full/overbooked" with CX773's figures (which I assume
45 Andrewtang : CX123, The figures provided by CX773 are correct. And there is no need to show the breakdown of per class occupied seats here. The figure shows the ac
46 Cathay250 : The Coachman, Seems you have rasied a point here, as it seems far from full, or should he just mean full J-class, but economy class is empty? It could
47 Buckfifty : Don't forget that currently, it is low season for air travel. May is usually quite light in terms of bookings. In normal peak season terms, those flig
48 Cx123 : Excuse me "The Coachman", my comments are based on my ACTUAL observation of the flight (since I am there) I got Boarding pass to actually prove I am t
49 Cx123 : Cathay250, The outbound flight (From SYD-HKG) was terrible We had breakfast and consist of the following choice: - Spanish Omelete - Dim Sim with E-Fu
50 Andrewtang : I can only say there are less than 100 Economy Class passengers onboard CX101 (25thMAY) And First Class was far more empty than just 2 empty. And of c
51 CX773 : CX123, I don't know how you observed the flight, but i am 100% sure that the numbers i've given out are the exact number of passengers on board on tho
52 United Airline : Singapore Airlines doesn't serve snacks as well on SQ 220/221/231
53 Buckfifty : Just for interest sake, CX123, when did you fly from SYD-HKG again?
54 Cx123 : I flew on CX101 on 25 May (Dep 2345) I am sure F Class = 2 seats empty, as when I Boarded the plane I was the last one. I was in the first row in J an
55 CX773 : CX123, if that's really the case with 6F and 30C, then Y class should have only 84 passengers.
56 Cx123 : That is why I am puzzled!! as when I went back to Y, I cannot see anyone that can sleep sideways and also it was pretty cramp to me. Strange... Also m
57 Buckfifty : No no, I was wondering what date you actually left SYD for HKG on 100, not going back on 101.
58 United Airline : HKG-SYD is a big money maker I think?
59 The Coachman : Sorry Cx123, I don't trust your observations, until you can reconcile your observations with the figures from CX773 and andrewtang I can't believe you
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