SA006 From South Africa, joined Sep 2003, 1883 posts, RR: 55 Posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2911 times:
3 airlines are thinking about starting up to Johannesburg, South Africa. The three are Gulf Air, Qatar Airways and Thai Airways.
This would be a great boost to South Africas trade to the middle and far east. Thai are looking at the BKK-JNB route as SAA dropped this route last year and with SAA joinign Star Alliance Thai would have better connections into Africa and South America
(P.S. Source is TNW (Travel news Weekly) magazine)
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2670 times:
You'd think that at least one North American carrier would find it worthwhile to fly to SA
...AA would love nothing more than to fly SA - Florida">MIA-CPT/JNB: but they wont do it without a new pilot deal (similar to their HKG ambitions); as well as unless the government allows them to do it under ETOPS180 as opposed to 138, which doesnt seem likely to happen any time soon either.
Iowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 928 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2399 times:
I have heard that the main reason SAA switched from BKK to HKG is because of a codeshare with Cathay. Do people know if this was the main reason, or if SAA was disappointed with load factors out of BKK? The latter would seem a little doubtful if Thai is looking to start service. Plus, with SAA joining Star, do you think that the route will stay in HKG? I must admit that I was a little surprised this past winter when stepping off a Thai flight from BKK to HKG to see a sign for passengers transferring to the evening SAA departure to Jo'burg.
Also, I agree that it would be nice to see someone like AA going to South Africa.
Finally, I agree with Aviationwiz about our media and their protrayal of African airlines. In their defense, the majority of crashes are often by less safe carriers, and they are not going to go out and report how the daily SAA flight arrived on time, etc. It is too bad though, since it really casts a bad shadow on some airlines like SAA, Kenya, Egyptair, etc.
FLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12 Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2378 times:
Add Air Canada to the list. Short of having an A340-500 available to operate YYZ-JNB nonstop (the two upcoming A345 aircraft have been designated on YYZ-HKG-YYZ), marketing has been considering a YYZ-MAD-JNB routing utilising the A340-300.
Won't go into the validity/benefits of this route, as it has been discussed several times before. With SAA joining Star, this could only benefit the merit of commencing such as service.
Bkkair From Thailand, joined Aug 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2304 times:
I've taken the SAA flight from HKG-JNB 3 times this year. It has been full both ways each time, including high yield Business Class ( 48 seats) being full.
People might not realize that Mainland Chinese traffic to South Africa is huge, both business and leisure. The Chinese are investing heavily in South Africa, especially in JNB. There are always many group tours on these flights (from China, Japan and Thailand).
If TG starts BKK-JNB, SAA will keep the HKG-JNB route ( not sure about the codeshare with CX thought).
Iowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 928 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2200 times:
Thanks. I was not aware of the demand for flights to South Africa from China. I remember seeing the old pictures and videos of SAA 742s and 747SPs landing at Kai Tak, so I figured that there was some demand.
Sorry, I should have written that better that I meant return to BKK if Thai did not start the flight. It wouldn't make the most sense to put both on the same route to compete with one another.
ZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5131 posts, RR: 11 Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1942 times:
I think one of the main reason that SAA stopped Bkk-Jnb is that they no longer have any equipment that can make this flight after they returned or sold their 747SP fleet.
So what would be wrong with an A342 or 343?
I heard the route was dropped because SAA didn't make enough off it, they increased HKG to daily at the same time aswell, so I guess itwas also possible that they just wanted 1 Asian city.
FoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2902 posts, RR: 5 Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1884 times:
...and go thousands of miles out of their way to do so? Um... no
ConcordeBoy, a stop in Cape Verde on the MIA-JNB route adds only 193 miles. A nonstop shouldn't be a problem with the 777, but it wouldn't be so far out of the way if loads/weather conditions necessitated a visit to SID.
SA006 From South Africa, joined Sep 2003, 1883 posts, RR: 55 Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1441 times:
ConcordeBoy...If you dont see a flight from the US flying via Cape Verde...then I wonder where else they would stop? Libreville? Luanda? Malabo? Monrovia? Honestly Sal is the better place to stop..I really don't see an American airline in Liberia, Angola etc.