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PIA Begins IAH Service Tomorrow.  
User currently offlineTriley1057 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 1999, 462 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8090 times:

IAH will see the first PIA 777 coming in tomorrow from Pakistan via MAN. Anyone in Houston planning on being there? Hopefully we can get some pictures on A.Net real soon. Does PIA have the rights to carry passengers between MAN & IAH?

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User currently offlinePIA747 From Pakistan, joined Apr 2003, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7994 times:

PIA has traffic rights to all ports in the USA from MAN.

User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7899 times:
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Isn't there another Mideast airline planning flights to IAH?

User currently offlineCoTXDFW777AA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7893 times:

Also, from what i have heard the loads on these flights are looking pretty good both directions. So we will see, this will be the first connection in quite awhile for IAH to the mid. east.

-COTXDFW777AA



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User currently offlineTriley1057 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 1999, 462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7785 times:

Wedgetail737,
From what I know there have been rumours of Egypt Air starting service next year and also of Gulf Air returning. Emirates also had IAH in their "list" of US destinations as well as Qatar Airlines but I haven't heard anything lately. China Airlines will begin service on June 22nd and Saudia Arabian airlines started a cargo service last month.


User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7737 times:

The next most likely carrier will be Emirates. They have stated that once they recieve more A345's that they want to fly to IAH (along with LAX). Indian Airlines has also been talking about serving IAH for a while, but I won't believe them until I see the aircraft parked at Terminal D.

User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7719 times:

Indian Airlines has also been talking about serving IAH for a while

They have? Do they know?

I wonder if they will fly their A320s or their B732s on the route.  Insane


User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1981 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7682 times:

Couple of notes here...

1. PK doesn't have rights for MAN-IAH service yet, it's the only city not yet approved so all of the passengers have to originate in Pakistan. That being said, the flights are pretty much sold out in Coach class for the first few weeks from what has been talked about here locally.

2. Quite a few carriers are launching IAH service this year, PK, China Airlines, Saudia Cargo internationally and there is talk about others from the Middle East and one from JNB-Sao Tome-IAH, Island Express, with 747SPs, but that's the one that I think is the long shot to operate. Don't get me wrong, I'd be quite happy to see it come, but getting a new start-up to serve such a long haul route could be hard to get going.

I'll be there if I'm awake, working midnights 6p-6a so can only get it arriving around 4pm if they're on time...Weather should be good, though it depends on the winds for which runway they'll be using...likely on the 8s/9s I'm afraid...

Jeffrey



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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7680 times:

Hey guys why is it that the USA is allowing all these airlines to start new flights to the country? After all we know that Pakistan is a terrorist backer so how can we agree to let them fly new flights here while we are at war?

Careful: 1st you need proofs for your statements regarding terrorist countries, and second, if it were true, why are they then backed by the US government if they are involved in terrorist activities?? Don't forget, its the US premium ally! See, you can't put a double-standard


User currently offlineTargowski From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7655 times:

DAL763: a history lesson.

we are not at "war" with pakistan. and without their help, we probably would have had a tremendous time invading afghanistan. i dont see how that affects PIA's rights? we should even reward pakistan for being so supportive in light of how america is viewed over in that part of the world.

if i follow your logic, then should we also pan saudi airlines? 19 9-11 hijackers were saudis and there have been some questionable contacts with the saudi royal family and so-called muslim "charities" that are terrorist fronts.

banning airlines should be a political decision against those states that do not serve our interests. that is why we banned Syrian airlines and South African Airways during the latter days of aparthied.



User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3956 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7542 times:

I'll be out there. Look out for a blue Wrangler. Indeed '04' looks to to be a very good year for IAH.

Wedgetail737,

Actually, Pakistan is not considered a Middle Eastern nation. It is in fact often classified as Near East or South Asia.

CBA,

You mean Air India do you not? Indian Airlines is a regional carrier.

DL763,

Seeing that you are an 8th grade student from ATL, I'll forgive you mindless and thoughtless comments.

Targowski,

All good points. I recall when SAA was not allowed to renew it's IAH operations back in the 80s when the city of Houston divested itself from all business contacts with South Africa. In regards to DL763 comments, well they sound very similar to remarks made by someone over at the IAH Spotters Club just before SV Cargo started their operations last month.

Thomas



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7524 times:

Isn't there another Mideast airline planning flights to IAH?

Egyptair are expected to launch flights to Houston early next year. The airline was about to launch flights at the start of 2003 but the war in Iraq and the SARS outbreak put those plans on hold.



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User currently offlineCjuniel From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 146 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7435 times:

DAL763,

After reading your profile, that sounds more like something your parents may think than something you believe. However, while I think we all welcome everyone's opinion on here, there is absolutely NO room for that type of racist rhetoric.


User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3956 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7404 times:

Horus,

Is MS's proposed service to IAH written in stone? I am keeping my fingers crossed. If true, then this would be only the second scheduled service to the African continent (not including World's oil charters to Angola, Nigeria and EQ. Guinea) since SAA pulled out in the mid 80s.

Thomas



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User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7383 times:

I'll go check the PIA arrival tomorrow also. I am assuming that it will come in on 27. Does anyone know what time to expect it...

J


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7358 times:

Thomasphoto60. Well like I said that airline was definitely going to launch flights last year but world events put a hold on that. The airline is still planning to launch flights to Houston. They are supposed to launch flights to Hong Kong too, but their priority is Houston. In other words, yes, it is more less a certainty but still keep your fingers crossed  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3956 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7334 times:

Thanks Horus. Indeed I will keep my fingers crossed.

Jeremy,

I believe that someone over at the spotters club mentioned 4PM or so. Though like many new carriers I would not be too surprised to see a delay. I remember waiting at 'IAB' back in '95' for GF's first flight into IAH from Bahrain via JFK, it wound up being over 2 hours late.

Thomas



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User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1981 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7298 times:

Artsyman,

Scheduled to be in around 4pm. A quick look at EGCC this evening shows that PK719 took off from OPLA at 0032z, showing eta of 0849z, or about 30 minutes early. Bodes well for IAH to see it on time so far.

Winds are due to be directly out of the south at 17012kt according to the current forecast for noon tomorrow with scattered clouds, like today.

Jeffrey



"Irregardless, it's a Cat III airplane, we don't need an alternate!"
User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1137 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7273 times:

<< banning airlines should be a political decision against those states that do not serve our interests >>: Targowski

I could agree to banning a airline of a country whose actvities are anti-USA... But for not "serving" them?? What an absurd and dangerous statement!!. Targowski: please refrain from trying to teach politics to the DAL762 kiddo.. He seems to be under very biased influences already... And I most certainly hope you and your views never make it to any public or private position in which you have any degree of power to make more complicated the understaning of evey person in the world, or the flights of any airline for that matter.

I invte you to think again of what you said in that paragraph, so the kiddo receives a different lesson.

__Ad.



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[Edited 2004-05-23 03:28:34]


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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3956 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7266 times:

Just checked with Flyte.com and they show an arrival at 5:14PM for PK 719. Not sure if that is EDT or local however.

Thomas



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User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1981 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7135 times:

Fellow IAH spotters,

Reliable source says AP-BGK will be our 777 later today. ETA still pending departure out of MAN, however there's no slot delays and he's showing a flt plan of 8:55 enroute so he could be in around 3:30pm. So be out there early!

Jeffrey



"Irregardless, it's a Cat III airplane, we don't need an alternate!"
User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7076 times:

I could agree to banning a airline of a country whose actvities are anti-USA... But for not "serving" them?? What an absurd and dangerous statement!!.

Yeah silly and indeed a dangerous and unelaborated thought: this would mean that LH, AF, now IB, AI, etc. etc,i.e. the 'sensible coalition' who did not take part in the Iraq war could not fly anymore to the USA, since they did not agree to serve the interests of the US of A in Iraq. Suppressing like this would not make sense and indeed would be dangerous. Keep in mind that the banning of airlines would be reciprocical, meaning that UA, DL, NW etc. would not be able to serve many countries apart from Britain, and Australia


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7379 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7008 times:
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PK719 left MAN at 12:55 local.

David


User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2244 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6952 times:

Can someone explain how this works:

PK719 will more than likely either land at 9/27 or 8L/26R - how does wind affect whether they land from the east or the west? Is it more desirable to land in a headwind or tailwind?

Hopefully, PK will use runway 27 so we can park at Lee Rd. and watch it. More and more heavies are using the new 8L/26R, but a recent article is saying that NIMBYs are complaining about 8L/26R and IAH officials are promising them that they will only use 8L/26R in extreme (for a lack of a better word) cases.



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User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3956 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 6894 times:

Hi Homer,

As 26-08R/L are east west runways (as is 27/09) wind direction is important. If like Friday and yesterday when the winds are primarily from the east (or SSE) planes will utilize 08L/R and 09 for arrivals and departures which is bad for spotters and photographers are there are no sanctioned viewing area to the west of the airport.

As for the NIMBYS, well I have almost no sympathy for these folks. The 8 month old runway had been under construction for over a year and been planned for much longer and now they are making a stink about it. Never mind that IAH had been there since 1969 when that entire area was nothing more that forests and some local farms, predating the population explosion around IAH/FM1960 by almost a full decade. Give me a break. Besides, why would anyone with any lick of good ol' fashion horse sense who craves the relative quiet of the 'burbs' move next door to an ever expanding int'l airport....sheesh! I hate to break it to these folks, but IAH still has a lot more room to grow. You know some of the cry-babies should have been around when the 707s and 747s ruled the skies. You think a 340 or MD11 are noisy now go back some 25-30 years.

Thomas



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25 Homer71 : Thanks, Thomas...now I know if I want to take the kids to Lee Rd., check to make sure the winds are coming out of the west (or if winds are calm) and
26 Thomasphoto60 : Like almost everyone, I am hoping that 27 is used but at this point it is up to ATC. Worse case scenario if it should land on 26R, I should have enoug
27 Targowski : i think we are getting into a clintonian understanding of what "serving" means here. lets clarify... do i think we should ban say, royal jordian airli
28 Post contains images Iowa744fan : As I am sure that you all know, if anyone is going to take pictures, they would be much appreciated here!
29 Artsyman : Well, I, along with many others were happy to see that virtually all inbound traffic into Houston today was arriving on 27. We all sat with cameras an
30 Pbb152 : Jeremy, I was up on the C garage and when I saw PIA on approach to 26R I felt terrible because I knew most of the guys from the IAH spotters club were
31 CALMSP : sorry guys, I forgot my camera at home and had to buy one in the gift shop, but got some nice pics of the trucks shooting the water on teh PIA 777. Ni
32 Artsyman : We'll I can't speak for everyone, but I arrived about 3.55pm at Lee Road. We stayed there until we saw the PIA flight land, and then drove over to the
33 Post contains links and images Bigmo747 : On behalf of Pakistan, and all of the Pakistanis here in America, I would like to thank all of you wonderful people down there in the Houston area for
34 Behramjee : PIA doesnt have traffic rights for MAN-YYZ-MAN but it has for MAN-JFK/ORD and IAH. I dont have why IAH-MAN rights have been delayed but it will be obt
35 Pbb152 : Behramjee, IAH is preferred by the three airlines you listed for different reasons. 1. PIA will mainly cater to the large Pakistani community in Houst
36 Horus : Pbb152, you hit the nail right on the head Egyptair will, on the other hand, cater to the oil business. Supposedly it is the intent of Egyptair to pro
37 ConcordeBoy : Houston is the fourth largest city in the U.S. Houston proper is the 4th largest city-limit area in the country, but when you're talking metropolitan
38 Vorticity : Maybe wrong place to ask this question, but where are spotter locations around IAH?
39 Post contains links and images Thomasphoto60 : Verocity, The Lee road observation was re-opened this past March and is situated just east of the airport. View Large View MediumPhoto © Thomas M
40 Dl021 : dal763 Dude, I am glad to see a guy your age taking an interest in Politics, and I am especially pleased to see patriotism from what has seemed to be
41 Ssides : Hey guys why is it that the USA is allowing all these airlines to start new flights to the country? After all we know that Pakistan is a terrorist bac
42 Dl021 : Ssides, I would agree with you, but in few years this kid and others like him/her are going to be in the workforce and we will have to hire them. I wo
43 Post contains images Lt-AWACS : Ok to digress to the above post by Concorde on population. I wouldn't call DFW "considerably larger" but it is "slightly larger" Maybe semantics but I
44 Copaair737 : I sure had a laugh about DAL763's remarks. I mean, it is one thing to post your opinion, but dude, seriously, you should AT LEAST get the transportati
45 PIA747 : Copaair737, you shall see PIA at LAX a lot sooner than that. If all goes according to plan then the first PIA 747 will land at LAX this summer.
46 Post contains images UnitedTristar : LOL....Am I the only one who through Peoria,IL (PIA) was getting nonstops to Houston when you read the title of this thread?
47 VectorVictor : Shoot, I missed it. I was hoping to meet some of IAH regulars from Yahoo and here on a.net. Maybe I will go out Memorial Day Sunday...
48 COfaninBOS : It is my understanding that CA chose IAH because of Houston's large Southeast Asian population, especially the Vietnamese. They are hoping for good co
49 Saigonhouston : Wonderful list COfaninBOS and thank you ! Somehow people in DFW are never get over themselves in comparison with IAH. DFW cannot be like IAH. Period !
50 Post contains images Thomasphoto60 : Nice lineup there COfaninBOS. Though I am a little disappointed that IAH's 2 Caribbean carriers are not daily. Indeed I have a lot of friends and rela
51 SQ452 : I have to admit, I didn't mind IAH when i flew Cancun-Augusta during X-mas, fairly easy to maneuver
52 Triley1057 : Didn't Air Jamaica have a daily service before 9-11? I know they have subbed an A321 a few times instead of the A320.
53 Texdravid : SaigonHouston, Unfortunately, you are right! DFW is getting hammered right now in comparison to IAH. As hard as it is to say, IAH is getting all sorts
54 Bartond : When can someone get a pic of that PIA 772 up and running? That's a cool looking bird but, then again, aren't all 772s? I say good for IAH with the ne
55 Vorticity : Someday I'll have to make the trip up to IAH, the F-16s are EFD are getting boring, and Hobby is just about all WN. Are those flights all on regular d
56 Pbb152 : Texdravid and Bartond, You guys are correct that IAH is going through a nice period of international expansion, but DFW will certainly get its share o
57 Thomasphoto60 : I fully agree, Bartond in regards to your comments concerning that neither Dallas or Houston are being eyed as tourist destinations and will probably
58 Post contains links and images Lt-AWACS : To digress a bit: There are more tourists to TX than you might think; yes business travel is huge also. Houston has one of 3 Sales tax rebate centers
59 COfaninBOS : Cayman's flight to Grand Cayman is 3/4 times per week depending upon the season. It is doubtful it will ever go weekly, especially since CO will up th
60 Thomasphoto60 : I too have heard of Bee Wee's interest in IAH. However given their current financial status, I would not hold my breath. Thomas
61 Cba : Regarding the PIA flight, Houston has a HUGE South Asian population. This new PIA flight is going to take a lot of business from British Airways in pa
62 Thomasphoto60 : That is a very good point cba. I would hope that PK's service does not put to much of a dent in the operations of the aforementioned carriers operatio
63 Triley1057 : Rumour has it that the PIA flights are sold out for the month of June and that they recieved the rights to sell tickets between IAH and MAN.
64 Love747s : I have flown PIA many times, I have never had a bad experience with them. PIA in my opinion is a good airline with a good safety record. I do take exc
65 Cba : Pakistan is not a terrorist nation. It's government and leadership have been key allies to the US. However, many Pakistanis sympathize with Bin Laden
66 A340Spotter : PIA services IAH Wed. and Sundays... Flights are nearly sold out from all avenues we've heard of and the ability to purchase tickets IAH-MAN-IAH just
67 FRAspotter : I wonder when Qatar Airways will start flying to the USA.
68 Thomasphoto60 : FRAspotter, QR has been rumored to have in the planning stages flights to the US including IAH. However most of this info was floating around pre-9/11
69 Airmale : COfaninBOS RJ's from Toronto to Houston nd Dallas sounds insane, how long is the flight? I would never take them, feel sorry for the poor masses who a
70 A340Spotter : Airmale, Add CLX, AF, BA, MP, LA sometimes and Tampa sometimes (with MP's MD-11s) to the IAH freighter list of internationals. AF has 744F service fro
71 Bartond : DFW has the following foreign freighters: Eva Singapore Korean Lufthansa China Airlines China Eastern Cargo Tradewinds (is that foreign?) And then the
72 Aa61hvy : Tradewinds is not foreign, but we do get Cargolux from time to time at DFW
73 Vorticity : I saw the AN-225 at IAH back in November or December, does anyone know why it could be there. Who operates that plane now? Is it used for cargo?
74 L1011aaron : PIA have the right to fly pax between MAN and USA except they do not yet have a right for IAH. NO doubt they will soon.
75 Thomasphoto60 : Vorticity, Indeed the AN225 is no stranger to IAH though not as near as frequent as it's little brother. As for why it visits here, well simply put...
76 Post contains links and images Airmale : PIA are also planning a test flight to Los Angeles in June with a 742M, still wearing the green belly scheme as below, routed Lahore-Tokyo-Los Angeles
77 ND : COfaninBOS RJ's from Toronto to Houston nd Dallas sounds insane, how long is the flight? I would never take them, feel sorry for the poor masses who a
78 Scseay : Good Spike, I am glad you think that way, so that we fellow Texans here in Houston will never have to put up with you stealing from our hotels and air
79 Thomasphoto60 : I am the one who submitted those two pics to PP.Net plus 1 other. Knowing that A.Net's standards are sky-high, I just felt that that those 2 images wo
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