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Ceiling Collapse At CDG  
User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14886 times:

French radio "Europe 1" reports that a footbridge has collapsed in CDG terminal 2E (the newest), with "several" injured.

[Edited 2004-05-23 08:46:30]

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User currently offlineDinker225 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1059 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14710 times:

Not good, any linkage?

Dinker



Two rules in aviation, don't hit anything and don't run out of gas, cause if you run out of gas yer gonna hit something.
User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14696 times:

Here's a link:


http://fr.news.yahoo.com/040523/202/3tgpx.html


User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14690 times:

Let's hope this isn't as bad as it sounds....had a girder collapse on Interstate 70 out here in Colorado a week ago, killing 3 people... hope it's nothing like that!

User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14680 times:

How can a new construction collapse ?????

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User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 14670 times:

Shit !

Now they say it's the roof, and that there may be some deads.


User currently offlineDinker225 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1059 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 14669 times:

That girder collapse was terrible, lets hope this isn't another one of those.

Dinker



Two rules in aviation, don't hit anything and don't run out of gas, cause if you run out of gas yer gonna hit something.
User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 14634 times:

Another source:
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1531246,00.html
"Emergency services, who were immediately sent to the scene, set off their so-called "red plan" to mobilise help, indicating that there could be a large number of casualties, sources said."

This won't be good....

[Edited 2004-05-23 09:08:48]

User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 14547 times:

4 dead... sad
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=515734§ion=news


User currently offlineWGW2707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1197 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 14393 times:

This is actually the second footbridge tragedy in France in recent months. Late last year a gangway collapsed at Chantiers d'Atlantique as family members of construction workers visited the newly completed ocean liner Queen Mary 2. A series of tragic incidents such as these helps to validate the cluster theory. This incident is truly unfortunate. Perhaps France should evaluate their building safety standards to ensure that no more footbridge accidents occur?

-WGW2707


User currently offlineDC9 From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14327 times:

For the Francophones:

http://news.tf1.fr/news/france/0,,3035315,00.html


User currently offlineIcarus75 From France, joined Oct 2003, 796 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14251 times:

What a pity!!!
I was there yesterday morning arriving from HGK and this terminal is very stunning in the architecture!!!
Hope they will find soon the responsabilities but at the french radio, they say it should be a construction default!!!
ADP was on late in the construction and I remember that the terminal opened and was then closed for some days because of troubles in the structure!!
I hope it won't arm AF, not responsible at all in this case.

WgW2707 : The Chantiers de l'Atlantlique tragedy is absolutely different!The footbridge that collapsed was meant to stay for just some days, during the construction of the ship!!!



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User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3031 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14199 times:

Here is another link that says more about the roof collapsing. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3739715.stm

I hope there aren't anymore casualties.


User currently offlineChrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1068 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14059 times:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8566
Five dead in Paris airport collapse
18:12 AEST Sun May 23 2004


AP - Tons of concrete have collapsed from a ceiling over a waiting area in a passenger terminal at Paris' largest airport, killing at least five people and injuring three.




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User currently offlineAOMlover From France, joined Jul 2001, 1302 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 13999 times:

Oh my god that is terrible...
I guess 2E will be closed until further notice.
Poor victims :'(


User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13918 times:

It's "Breaking News" on BBC News 24 so it must be bad. It says on there that it was in the check in area, so it must be bad as it would have been in the morning rush!  Sad

-Stephen


User currently offlineSnnams From Ireland, joined Apr 2004, 288 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13871 times:

"Perhaps France should evaluate their building safety standards to ensure that no more footbridge accidents occur?"

Sorry mate, but I think it's a bit previous to be making statements like that, and in slightly bad taste at this point too if I may say so.


User currently offlineMischadee From Sweden, joined Apr 2004, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13755 times:

Now 6 dead from a Swedish newspapersource. It's terrible.

Mischa.



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User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3451 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13661 times:


Radio reported that it was a jetway and not a ceiling !!!

Six (6) souls are reported dead in addition to service cars damage.


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13607 times:

Perhaps France should evaluate their building safety standards to ensure that no more footbridge accidents occur?

Save your anti-French comments for another occasion or the non-aviation forum, not in this context


User currently offlineFJWH From Netherlands, joined May 2004, 968 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13611 times:

Are there already photo's available?




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User currently offlineCedarwings From Lebanon, joined Apr 2004, 216 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13544 times:

Pierre Graff, president of the Paris airports authority, said passengers of Air France plane coming from New York and another from Johannesburg, could be involved in this accident.


View Large View Medium
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Photo © TriplET



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[Edited 2004-05-23 12:19:52]


I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth
User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13447 times:

Sky News have reported that 6 are dead - including 3 policemen. Very sad news.

DC-10


User currently offlineCedarwings From Lebanon, joined Apr 2004, 216 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13342 times:

First pictures of the tragic event:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040523/481/cdg10505231003

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/040523/481/cdg10605231024&e=8&ncid=708

[Edited 2004-05-23 12:35:13]


I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth
User currently offlineMerC From Sweden, joined Dec 2003, 590 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13298 times:

Terrible news! It certainly looks worse than I imagined.


It's Scandinavian
25 Post contains images Bullpitt : Just seen the picture it looks like an entire section has collapsed. It seems like the police were actually evacuating before the collapse but unfortu
26 Post contains images Apuneger : Very sad news indeed. Look at that picture from Cedarwings' hyperlink: it appears as if a whole part of the terminal has been shifted towards the grou
27 Alpere1 : OH my god! what a terrible news, my condolences to the families of the dead people and best wishes of recovery for those injured. How can something li
28 Post contains images PW100 : WOW, this is bad/sad . . . PW100 Edit. It looks like the whole airside section of the terminal between the fourth and fifth jetway from the right has
29 Mrniji : Is CDG 2x closed down?
30 Alessandro : One Chinese and one from Ivory Coast among the injured according to Swedish media.
31 Post contains images Q330 : Oh man, that really does look terrible. The BBC news article says: "cracks and falling dust had been observed just before the accident" I wonder how m
32 Post contains links Northernlights : Here is a link with footage from CDG (Dutch TV news). It is in Dutch and French (with Dutch subtitles) http://www.nos.nl Then click on NOS NIEUWS and
33 AF330 : AF Website expects severe delays according to their website. All CDG 2E flights transferred to other CDG terminals. Peace to all those touched by this
34 Planespotterx : Very sad news to wake up to, ive been to CDG many times, and its an excellent airport to plane-spot, the people there are so great to talk to (even if
35 Backfire : Can't be certain, but it looks like the jetty section immediately to the east of the central walkway that connects the jetty to the main terminal.
36 Post contains images EGGD : How unfortunate... My thoughts are with the victims' families .
37 Donder10 : At least it wasn't T2C at that time in the morning.
38 Mrniji : At least it wasn't T2C at that time in the morning Does 2c have more traffic than E? Which one of the Sub-T in T2 has the most Pax?
39 Post contains images GKirk : Very, very sad news
40 JA8915 : Current situation at CDG (for all I can see) : Terminal 2E is actually closed, all personnal and remaining passengers evacuated. I guess it will not r
41 Navion : God bless the dead, injured, and their families. God bless the French people to help them to heal, help them to fix this problem and get this beautifu
42 Post contains images ScottishLaddie : Very sad. This looks pretry major. 2E could be closed for quite a long time to come. I didn't expect to be that severe, looking at the pics. How long
43 L-188 : I wouldn't call that a roof collapse, most like a building collapse. Remind me never to hire that engineering firm. If only six people got killed they
44 Post contains links Elwood64151 : http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120688,00.html FoxNews reports that at least six are dead, but none has yet been confirmed as an American, even th
45 Sabenapilot : It seems the lower construction below the section of the terminal which has collapsed, gave in. Judging from the pictures the whole terminal is built
46 N754PR : Not sure we should be talking about costs at the moment..... One things for sure, the people that made it are in a great deal of trouble.
47 L-188 : Actually from what I can see, it looks like the floor level is intact, but the shell that forms the wall and the ceiling came down on it. If it is a d
48 Post contains images CON207 : This is terrible !! My sincere condolences to all the families concerned. CDG is a fantastic airport. Lets hope the cause is established quickly Sue
49 Post contains images RayChuang : That was quite a structural collapse! It will be interesting to see if that walkway's structural design had deficiencies that led to that unfortunate
50 Tartan : This is a horrible thing to have happened. It would have been much worse though if it had happened during the week.
51 AF330 : Looking at the air France website / flight status, most of this morning's "E departure were delayed 2-3h. Other later departure are allocated to 2F2 a
52 Post contains links N79969 : This is a tragic event. The new terminal used some cutting edge design and building techniques. The following is an excerpt for the New York Times: "I
53 Skyguy : How terribly sad and tragic, my thoughts and condolences with the families of the victims. This certainly will cause havoc in CDG, AF will be badly af
54 United4ever : "Remind me never to hire that engineering firm. If only six people got killed they where lucky." It's very early days to be blaming the engineering fi
55 Jcs17 : Unbelieveable. How could something like this happen to a structure that was so new? I mean, there has to be severe design flaws for something like tha
56 PU151 : 188, there are people who died over there, so your last comment/paranoia/french-bashing snippet (namely your "AMERICAN PLOT" stuff), is definitely not
57 United4ever : "I am actually suprised that nobody really called, "BOMB" or "AMERICAN PLOT"." Why?????? What the hell has this to do with America? Try crediting the
58 L-188 : What, do you guys not think there is some nutjob out there that won't try and claim that. Kind of like the news media always finding the woman in the
59 N79969 : I did not quote from the New York Times to suggest a design flaw. I just posted for the factual information. Very new structures do sometimes collapse
60 Post contains images United4ever : "What, do you guys not think there is some nutjob out there that won't try and claim that." I would say there are a lot of nutjobs who won't try to cl
61 Post contains images Boo25 : Very sad news - it really did look quite bad on the news. Why so much concrete in the building though ? - it looks like tons of it are being used as a
62 Russophile : Kind of like the news media always finding the woman in the mumu to interview after her trailerpark gets hit with a tornado. That's because a woman in
63 Ltbewr : New ideas in engineering and construction, such as used here, sometimes but rarely lead to tragedy. This is true wether it is an airplane or a buildin
64 Snnams : There are some contributors on this thread who should hang their heads in shame. Particularly disturbing is that a crewmember was first to fire a tast
65 L410Turbolet : That's horrible news! When I got the one-sentence news texted from Yahoo on my mobile I thought to myself: "I's gotta be T1, because that place is a r
66 Ams : yes, I also thought of the old outdated terminal 1 I am quite sure that is must have been some sort of construction mistake. but this is quite serious
67 FLYtoEGCC : May I express my condolences and sadness to the victims and their families. What a terrible thing to happen. I find it so sad, that in an instance whe
68 Snnams : FLYto EGCC, There are even worse posts than L-188's im afraid. I agree with your post entirely. Condolances to all.
69 Eddieho : This is gonna be really bad for summer tourists
70 Elwood64151 : Unbelieveable. How could something like this happen to a structure that was so new? I mean, there has to be severe design flaws for something like tha
71 PROSA : In the early 1980's a fairly new arena in Hartford, CT (USA) with a newer structural design failed after a heavy snowfall. It occured at a time when n
72 Snnams : Elwood, I'm sorry but I dont agree with you at all. The anti french sentiment in that post was obvious and was a hugely idiotic conclusion to come to,
73 L410Turbolet : It makes me wonder what chances of survival one has if something like this happens? Like how much time for evacuation there was - between spotting the
74 AA777jr : Very sad to hear that news...over in Austin, they are reporting (6) dead. Also a question: (why are they making a big deal out of how 2 planes had jus
75 STT757 : ""It was built using new technology in order to accommodate the Parisian airport authority's requirement that the 2,100-foot long, 110-foot wide termi
76 Backfire : I understand that the CDG terminal is a truss-roof structure, which allows the wide span area underneath. Truss-roof structures are great if they're b
77 Aa717driver : Let's not politicize this tragedy. Treat it like an aircraft accident and wait for the final report. Condolences for the victim's families.TC
78 Post contains images Nonrevman : It is sad to wake up and see news like this. We are likely fortunate that there were not a lot more people involved in this as we know that CDG is a v
79 Post contains links EUSWISS : This is a link to a plan of the airport and a description of what happened to the building: http://fr.news.yahoo.com/040523/85/3th6a.html
80 Phollingsworth : Whether the cause is a basic design flaw or a construction error, one thing is obvious, the design of the structure was not robust. I don't know how t
81 As739x : What a horrible incident. My heart is with all the people and their families. Thank goodness they at least heard the crack, it could have been so much
82 TriJetFan1 : A sad day indeen for aviation. Does anyone suspect terrorism?
83 Post contains images SNBA319 : Also a question: (why are they making a big deal out of how 2 planes had just landed?) Did that contribute to something or what not....? AA777jr those
84 Post contains images BA : Absolutely terrible, this is the first news I heard when I woke up this morning. May those that have passed on rest in peace. FoxNews reports that at
85 Prebennorholm : Press up here is reporting that: Construction work was at one time way behind schedule, and it created a terrible pressure on the contractors to get i
86 Daumueller : I've just returned from CDG (terminal 1 though) - and just heard about it here (by chance). seems like the officials there are trying to keep it down
87 Aeroflot777 : Wow! This is really unfortunate... Especially since it was just recently built. Very, very sad.
88 Linemechqx : BA- "With all do respect, but why does nationality matter? The fact is they are all human beings no matter what nationality they are. American casualt
89 Panamair : Luckily it happened pretty early (0700) - AF23 from JFK and AF5 from EWR arrived between 0550 and 0615 so passengers should have cleared the area alre
90 Post contains images SegmentKing : ** mouth still on ground after reading HottieBoi's bio line ** *regains composure* ok In regards to the construction, it is unlikely we'll see the Ter
91 Backfire : Here's something interesting. GTM Construction was responsible for the CDG 2E departure pier. This morning their Internet site prominently showed the
92 MYT332 : Hmm can you blame them. Maybe they do everything this fast, hence why it collapsed?
93 Post contains images Speedbird747 : What a terrible thing... My condolences go out to the affected families.
94 Post contains images Aloha717200 : My sincerest condolences go out as well. And apologies for creating a double-thread, I didn't see this one. What's scary about this is that I almost b
95 Standby87 : Terrible event - I read somewhere that "Airport Terminals have become the New Cathedrals". I think that's true! I think it was Sabenapilot who said it
96 InnocuousFox : "Looking at the pictures of the adjacent sections, it looks to be supported from underneath. It looks like all of the support columns collapsed. This
97 GoMEA : This is terrible news for all the airlines and airport community. It's so silly to have a building collapse the way it did, with CAD design and high t
98 Mdsh00 : "Kind of like the news media always finding the woman in the mumu to interview after her trailerpark gets hit with a tornado." This is a ripoff from J
99 Post contains images Flybynight : Very sad indeed. A horrible way to die. A very interesting-looking structure. I wonder, though, if some modern structures put form before function.
100 Bubbinski : May the dead rest in peace. No matter who they were. And I salute the policemen who gave their lives to protect others.
101 Nycfuturepilot : This is terrible. I was very nervous as i thought that my girlfriend would be going through CDG this morning but I just got off the phone with her and
102 COAB767 : This is just tragic news. To hear of a jetway collapsing, and the ceiling giving way is just unbelievable. My condolonences go out to the friends and
103 Rev3oh2 : The suggestion of problems with the reinforced concrete reminds me of a walkway collapse that happened outside of Charlotte Motor Speedway a few years
104 Silver1SWA : With all do respect, but why does nationality matter? The fact is they are all human beings no matter what nationality they are. American casualties a
105 Post contains images Northwest717 : WOW, there is really nothing I can say about this other than how sad it is that something like this could be allowed to happen. Especially at such a g
106 Smcmac32msn : Just wanted to pass along my condolences to the families who lost loved ones today in ths tragedy. Its sad to see anything happen like this, no matter
107 Post contains images Hirisk : this is truly sad news . may all the victims rest in peace.had this happened later,i think we all know the outcome of that would have been.
108 WGW2707 : Just a comment, my earlier remark was in no way, shape or form a Franchophobic remark. I am a great admirer of France and very saddened by these two t
109 PHLapproach : I'm not sure many remember this. Maybe only Americans, but about two years ago when the Milwaukee Brewers (A major League Baseball Team) were building
110 Spyglass : First, no one who checks in on this website should be surprised by the inane, insensitive, untimely or just plain stupid comments, remarks, etc. Happe
111 Post contains images Taca : So sad news. Definitely a terrible tragedy.
112 Cx123 : Just to confirm, that terminal is NOT BA's terminal. I don't recall it being that new when I was there earlier in the year?? I was so shocked to hear
113 RayChuang : Here's the big question: if they do determine that CDG's Terminal 2E's roof is structurally unsafe, how long will it take to tear it down and replace
114 L410Turbolet : According to CTK News Agency it was confirmed last night by the Czech consulate in Paris that one of the six (five?) dead is a woman from the Czech Re
115 ScottysAir : It is horrible for CDG today and will ever repair with reconstructions into the concourses and will happening again in the future. I won't not able ha
116 Mikey711MN : To clear up some misconceptions on the engineering design and construction trades... The typical order of concept to concrete goes as follows: (with s
117 Silver1SWA : If you ask me, they got a little too "cute" with the design. Simplicity rules...
118 Stefandotde : And if you ask me, there is lots of "cute" design all over the world - and that's great cause we want to see beautiful buildings. I think this is an a
119 Willo : My sympathy to all those caught up in this tragedy. Shame on some members here for their cheap, puerile comment. This is neither time, nor the place.
120 Tekelberry : Maybe only Americans, but about two years ago when the Milwaukee Brewers (A major League Baseball Team) were building their new stadium. The beams and
121 StarCruiser : [Leave it to the French who build a structure with a flashy appearance, but the integrity is in shambles.] Well, JMC1975, you managed to offend me too
122 Sebolino : My suggestion that France evaluate their building code just to make sure there isn't some loophole that contractors are jumping through Just to clarif
123 Silver1SWA : And if you ask me, there is lots of "cute" design all over the world - and that's great cause we want to see beautiful buildings. I think this is an a
124 Canoecarrier : There certainly seems to be a lot of emotion and some bias running around this thread. The truth behind any structural collapse, in any country, espec
125 Donder10 : At least it wasn't T2C at that time in the morning Does 2c have more traffic than E? Which one of the Sub-T in T2 has the most Pax? If you fly into CD
126 Post contains images Hoons90 : Very sad and tragic news, Rest in peace to those who have passed away due to this unfortunate event.
127 EUSWISS : Breaking news-Reports in French media that workers clearing the site have just evacuated the site because of a cracking sound in an other part of the
128 Post contains images Sebolino : At least, it won't be hard to break it down before they make a new terminal ... They just have to shout a little bit and everything will collapse
129 N754PR : Sounds like a quality building!!
130 Post contains links and images Timdegroot : View Large View MediumPhoto © Philippe Noret What a tragic event Tim
131 Post contains links Longhaulheavy : Here's a report on the "fresh cracks." One wonders what exactly was done differently when they built this new section, and also what can be done to sa
132 Jer32382 : Just saw on the FOX news ticker that officials are considering demolishing the entire terminal after fresh new cracks are found.
133 MD80Nut : Looking at pictures of the damage, I think it's amazing only 4 people died. My thoughts are with the victims and their families. I suggest we all wait
134 Jmc1975 : So how badly does this disrupt Air France's operation?
135 EUSWISS : So how badly does this disrupt Air France's operation? -In the short term, the closure of terminal 2E means an important loss for AF. Terminal 2E as t
136 Post contains links Okie : http://www.airliners.net/open.file/584168/L/ Well here is a pretty good view of the construction for all us amateur architectural engineers. You can s
137 Post contains links FLYSSC : Concerning how this will affect AF traffic and the A380, click on the link below and read my reply # 19 : http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general
138 ConcordeBoy : *I admit to not having read the majority of the [repetitive] responses in this thread* ...did they announce whether the dead were staff or passengers?
139 Post contains images Slider : My sympathies to anyone and everyone involved, particularly those families who lost loved ones. What a horrible accident, and as the investigation unf
140 Espion007 : wow-i was at the 2E terminal last november and wow it was huge.Im amazed that the size of the colapsed area didnt claim more lives.
141 Mikey711MN : Slider, I assure you that there is no way that fatigue is an issue here. Two factors of fatigue are the stress limit and the number of cycles: increas
142 Ukair : Latest reports say there were four casualties, but there's no mention of any police being amongst them, as was thought earlier.
143 LH423 : With all do respect, but why does nationality matter? The fact is they are all human beings no matter what nationality they are. American casualties a
144 L410Turbolet : Quite interesting story develops around the identity of those poor souls who died at CDG on Sunday. According to earlier reports, one of the victims w
145 Spike : Its funny to thing back about sitting way down in the 2E bar marvelling at the ceiling and structure of the place in December awaiing a my HK flight.
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