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Rumor: More 717 Orders At Farnborough  
User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10011 times:

Who? Cebu Pacific, SNBA, Aebal? Or?
Thanks

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User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9887 times:

Rock on...great plane...loved TW's flew on them several times

User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9755 times:

It would be nice if 5J get them but I dont think so. They did look at them or even order them a few years back but it was cancelled.

Then again, a QF 717 did visit Manila and was seen at their jet base.....


User currently offlineHottieBoi1989 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9707 times:

Well i think it'd be super cool if United bought the 717 but they have too many planes as it is  Sad. But this is GREAT news for the 717 and it's fans!

~HottieBoi1989~
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User currently offlineAA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9660 times:

I hope your right...for the sake of the proffesionals down in LGB.

AA787



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 957 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9660 times:

Any link or article regarding this rumor?

Maybe ATA?


User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9632 times:

I also heard a rumor that UA, AA, US, DL, NW, HP, 5X, EA, WN, BA, LX and about 30 other ordering the type too. It should save the 717 line up until the year 2015.  Big grin


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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9616 times:

The only 717 order that has been cancelled was the remaining a/c and options on TWA's order that American cancelled.

It would be a great boost for the program if a 10-20 a/c order was to be placed by a European or Asian airline, but you can't rule out a North American order either, maybe a small carrier like Southeast or Allegiant might place a small order for it (5-10 a/c via Pembroke or Bavaria), or the rumored ATA order may prove to be true. Who knows, maybe one of those long rumored startups might place an actual order as well. With Jet-A prices being what they are these days, some airlines may start retiring older a/c and replacing them with more fuel-efficient a/c like the 717, whose fuel burn rate is actually better than originally projected.


User currently offlineAsianguy767 From Singapore, joined Oct 2003, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9600 times:

With the price of oil so volatile i am guessing that any airline operating fuel greedy aircraft (B732 & DC9s) would now seriously consider the very fuel efficient B717!

Does any1 know, performance n economics wise, is the B717 better than the A318?


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9592 times:

When I worked at Boeing LB we heard these rumors all the time. Unfortunately they were not true most of the time. If they were I would still be working there.

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 957 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9558 times:

Does any1 know, performance n economics wise, is the B717 better than the A318?

In terms of fuel burn the 717 is the more efficent aircraft. However, the A318 has greater range than the 717. I'll see if I can't find a chart.


User currently offlineHottIEBOi1989 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9467 times:

What r the fuel economy of the 717 compared to the DC-9?

~HottIEBOi1989~
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User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9382 times:

Does any1 know, performance n economics wise, is the B717 better than the A318?

As has been stated in this forum several times: On long, thin routes, the A318 is an optimal aircraft. The 717 is designed for short-haul routes of varying density.

What r the fuel economy of the 717 compared to the DC-9?

While I don't have the SFC rates in front of me, suffice to say the 717 burns significantly less fuel than the DC-9.



As for the original topic: We've heard about orders in the past, but as usual I'll believe it when I see it! Hoping for some ATA orders...



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User currently offlineSkymileman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9299 times:

That would be great if there were orders at farnborough. The 717 line has just barely been getting enough orders to stay above water. I'd love to see that 717-300 become a reality.

User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5888 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9275 times:
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If the 717 goes down the tubes, the professionals at Long Beach will fine because they'll be getting the 767T engineering from Wichita.

User currently offlineSkymileman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9249 times:

But if this whole 767 tanker deal goes down, then what will they do? If the government opens up bidding again and selects airbus, I'll leave this country. That would be completely unpatriotic.

User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9158 times:

@DfwRevolution: It was in a article 1 or 2 weeks ago (FlightInternational I think) and also on the net (yahoo?). There was talk that Boeing hopes to secure 18 more orders for the 717 soon. (the 6 announced by Airtran last week should be included in this 18 I believe).

User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9075 times:

Does any1 know, performance n economics wise, is the B717 better than the A318?

They are designed for different missions. The 736 is a much better comparison than the 717.

If the government opens up bidding again and selects airbus, I'll leave this country. That would be completely unpatriotic.

It would NEVER go to Airbus. It will either go ahead as planned with Boeing, or they will decide to replace them later on via other methods (probably leasing planes, but not buying Airbus).


User currently offlineFrugalqxnwa From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 565 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8904 times:

I would love to see NW, HP, ATA, or UA go for the 717, but then again I also heard F9 was replacing their older A318s with 717s.

User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6067 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8885 times:

"What r the fuel economy of the 717 compared to the DC-9?"

According to the AW&ST 2004 Aerospace Source Book, engine manufacturer specs for Specific Fuel Consumption at Max Power:

JT8D-17A -- 0.61

BR715 -- 0.37

CFM56-5B8/P -- 0.32



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User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3179 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8874 times:
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Umm... Frontier replacing their "OLDER" A318s with 717s?????? Are you high????????

JBLU


User currently offlineFrugalqxnwa From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 565 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8858 times:

"Are you high?"

No, but thanks for asking. It is another way of saying that I'll believe it when I see it.


User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8773 times:

I would love to see NW, HP, ATA, or UA go for the 717

yeah, the 717 would be an awesome replacement for NW's DC9's....when is NW retitiring those pesky things  Laugh out loud? Seriously, as others have mentioned, will this be the rumored TZ order? And if its, or someone else orders the 717, will the order be enough to "save the line"? Somehow I doubt it.


User currently offlineFrugalqxnwa From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 565 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8719 times:

Nosedive,

I am very well aware of question #9, the 9's will probably be around in 2020. II was just stating I would like to see NW order 717s, no matter if they are to replace or augment the DC-9s.

Whoah, I may be high after all. That was quite some wishful thinking.


User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6067 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8695 times:

"yeah, the 717 would be an awesome replacement for NW's DC9's....when is NW retitiring those pesky things  Big grin ?"

Not to go to much off topic but... after a BBD analyst conference last month it was reported that NW's DC9 replacements would be the prime launch target of BBD's proposed NCAP (New Commercial Aircraft Program). The aircraft would potentially be ready for delivery at approximately the same time when NW would be ready to start retiring the DC9s. FYI, the BBD NCAP will be launched only if it has 15-20% better economics than current aircraft (decison expected in 10-11 months).



Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - A. Einstein
25 Iowa744fan : Not that I would not love to see it, but out of curiousity, where are all of these UA purchasing the 717 rumors coming from?
26 Frugalqxnwa : The UA rumors are probably coming from the fact that their 735s are getting a little long in the tooth and the airline has no other 100 seat aircraft.
27 As739x : Now I know that we have people here on A.net that would never let the information past, but wouldn't it be hilarious if the announcement was for +200
28 Frugalqxnwa : Heck, if the announcement is for 200 for NW I will be ecstatic. The 717 is a real good choice for NW because it is essentially the latest version of D
29 Post contains images MD-90 : I doubt it would be 200 for Northwest. Let's be a little more realistic and settle for 50 orders, 50 options, eh?
30 Blackbird1331 : ATA has ordered 6 aircraft, I believe.
31 Post contains images Northwest717 : Yes, as much as I love those wonderful '9s, it is high time that NWA orders the 717. It would be a great replacement aircraft with all the advantages
32 Elwood64151 : If the government opens up bidding again and selects airbus, I'll leave this country. That would be completely unpatriotic. Less unpatriotic, more stu
33 Rj777 : Blackbird, It was AirTran that ordered six, not ATA!
34 Blackbird1331 : Thank you. I will adjust my portfolio accodingly.
35 IndustrialPate : ... it is high time that NWA orders the 717. It would be a great replacement aircraft with all the advantages that an airline such as NWA could ever w
36 717fan : Hey please stop this NWA and the 717 talking....
37 Planespotting : Yeah this just in: The 717 has been declared the greatest a/c in the world. All airlines will be required to buy at least 50 and hold options for 50 m
38 Post contains images Aloha717200 : I'll just be laughing if NW ever does replace the 717...at the mad scramble of posters on this board to posting the news and replying to a main topic
39 IndustrialPate : NW will order the A318, how much do you wanna bet? I'll take that bet. NW isn't going to select an aircraft that seats only 12 less passengers than th
40 DfwRevolution : NW isn't going to select an aircraft that seats only 12 less passengers than the A319, carries virtually no cargo & would create a PW vs. CFM56 engine
41 Post contains images CPDC10-30 : I'll take that bet. NW isn't going to select an aircraft that seats only 12 less passengers than the A319, carries virtually no cargo & would create
42 IndustrialPate : agree with capacity issue, but the A318 can be equipt with CFM can't it? and Where's the conflict if the A318 is ordered with the CFM56-5? - - - NW i
43 Blackbird1331 : CPDC10-30. Who is Dalton McGuinty?
44 CPDC10-30 : The A319/A320 did not have true PW options Hm, interesting because it is more complicated than it appears initially. I agree with your point that the
45 IndustrialPate : ...I don't think it is too much of a stretch to see NW opting for CFM56s even with a true P&W alternative. Maybe, maybe not but it does complicate mat
46 Planemaker : Looking at NWA fleet history since 2001 and then projections thru 2005, according to the data in AW&ST 2004 Aerospace Sourcebook, the A319 certainly s
47 717fan : Another discussion has ended in one of those sad and longstanding NWA DC-9 replacement topics. Please stop this! All has been said about it, there mus
48 Planespotting : I didn't mean to start it it was only a joke post i tell ya! a joke!
49 Post contains links Flying-Tiger : Lukas, with the F100 (and Embraer 190/195) this strongly marketed at the moment it seems a bit difficult for Boeing to attract new customers for the B
50 Highliner2 : Whoa, I dunno about a re-engined Fokker putting anybody away, let alone an established aircraft. The Fokker was a maintenance nightmare, just another
51 717fan : It all depends on the price airlines have to pay if they go for any aircraft or not, so Boeing has a lot in its hands.... Is the "new Fokker 100" alre
52 Greg : It seems like most these 717 'rumours' are actually started by you. I did a search and you've done this about 35 times in the last year!
53 BestWestern : What ever happened to that french low cost airline that announced orders early April? I think it was called Poisson.
54 HlywdCatft : **"I'll just be laughing if NW ever does replace the 717...at the mad scramble of posters on this board to posting the news and replying to a main top
55 Asianguy767 : here's a wild guess, maybe Jetsgo of Canada will be ordering some B717s soon? i know they've taken in some F100s for now but i wld think a low cost ca
56 LMP737 : I think to much is being made by some in regards to the F100. When you look at the airlines that have bought second hand F100's they were probably nev
57 Planemaker : Should Rekkof really decide to re-engine the F100 with the BR715 its the end of the B717. Other than speculation on A.net, there has not been one shre
58 Greg : Planemaker...what's your take on the new/improved F100/F70? Bleak?
59 717fan : Greg, you are correct a lot of those topics started by myself, but the rumors are around and they are not from me...and look, how man replies came and
60 Geg2rap : What we will we all do with ourselves when this line finally gets going.... I am still really suprised the plane has not received more Europe orders
61 Planemaker : "Planemaker...what's your take on the new/improved F100/F70?" Previously, I thought that Rekkof had much better odds of earning any kind of return in
62 Greg : Did you know they only paid $10M for the 728 prototype..all drawings..and tooling? What a bargain--well..if you did something with it! Is Boeing still
63 717fan : Greg, yes 6 more orders and by the way that was one of the rumors I was talking....and some of "my rumors" come from magazines (f.e. "FlightInternatio
64 StefanDotDe : Ah another rumour - now the B fans are opening a bottle of champain as soon as they hear a rumour about an order of a couple of 717. lol
65 Post contains images Planemaker : I didn't know that FD was "gifted" for $10-million... though, that pales with the funds that would be required to get the 728 certified. Yes, "What a
66 LMP737 : "Ah another rumour - now the B fans are opening a bottle of champain as soon as they hear a rumour about an order of a couple of 717. lol" StefanDotde
67 Post contains images Dl021 : To begin with I am copyrighting the ideas presented herein and beginning a process patent application! OK I am as big a fan of buying American as the
68 Post contains images Planemaker : OK I am as big a fan of buying American as the next guy, if not bigger. Fuselage - Italy Wings - Canada Engines - Germany Nose - Korea Tail - Taiwan I
69 Dl021 : Yeah, you got me..buying American isn't what it used to be. Maybe we should say "assembled in America!"
70 Post contains images Planemaker : To varying degrees BBD and EMB are the same, and Airbus has stated several times that their target for the A380 is to have 50% American content. Isn't
71 Unicorn : "If the government opens up bidding again and selects airbus, I'll leave this country. That would be completely unpatriotic. It would NEVER go to Airb
72 Greg : In terms of dollar value, the sale of any Airbus widebody equates to the same amount of US 'kept' revenue produced by a Boeing narrowbody. Clearly, mo
73 Planemaker : It's a very strange business. Yup, that's why I laugh when I see the vociferous A vs B posts. The majority of A or B fans are almost no different than
74 AirframeAS : Is Boeing planning on flying its original B717 prototype back to Farnborough to try to generate more sales or what? What products types will Boeing se
75 LifelinerOne : Rekkof intends to start-up the F70NG at first, with an updated Tay-engine, which RR claims to be more fuel-efficient than the older Tays. After the pr
76 Dynkrisolo : The current Tays have an sfc of 0.69 which is 86% higher than the CF34's sfc of 0.37. Apples and oranges. The SFC of the Tays you quoted is at cruise
77 Post contains images RayChuang : But isn't the Rolls-Royce Tay based on what amounts to a much-upgraded version of the old R-R Spey engine core? That's why if Rekkof does relaunch the
78 Post contains images UnitedTristar : After reading this forum I didn't find it anywhere but I read an article recently that the Russian airline industry is desperately in need of aircraft
79 Planemaker : "The SFC of the Tays you quoted is at cruise while the CF34's SFC is at takeoff..." Yes, the Tay's sfc at cruise power is 0.69 which is 0.32 higher th
80 Dynkrisolo : So... following your logic, the CF34's sfc at cruise power will obviously be even less than the CF34's 0.37 sfc at max take-off power. No. Cruise SFC
81 Planemaker : "No. Cruise SFC will always be lower than takeoff SFC." "SFC at takeoff is lower than at cruise." Which one of your contradictory statements are you s
82 Post contains images Vorticity : Don't make me get out my propulsion textbook
83 Dynkrisolo : "No. Cruise SFC will always be lower than takeoff SFC." "SFC at takeoff is lower than at cruise." Which one of your contradictory statements are you
84 Post contains images Planemaker : "...you would know the second one is the correct one." I was just verifiying since you did post twice that "Cruise SFC will always be lower than takeo
85 Dynkrisolo : take-off power Once again, it's thrust not power. Thrust and power are not the same thing. Yes, and take-off power fuel consumption is also "larger"
86 Post contains images Elwood64151 : -poor exchange rate on the dollar giving Airbus the edge on money Actually, the current exchange rate does precisely the opposite: Boeing has the adva
87 Planemaker : "Once again, it's thrust not power." AW&ST terminology: Specific Fuel Consumption at Max. Power or Cruise Power. Bill Gunston's definition of SFC: Rat
88 Post contains links Dynkrisolo : AW&ST terminology: Specific Fuel Consumption at Max. Power or Cruise Power. Then they are wrong too. The units for SFC is lbm/hr/lbf. The units for t
89 Vorticity : Specific Fuel Consumption for jets uses Thrust Specific Fuel consumption, it is given by : (fuel used) / (thrust) x (time) Power is used in calculatin
90 Post contains images Dl021 : elwood...first off sorry about jake. The weakness of the dollar against the euro is working against us in re the finance rates Yes, the personnel alre
91 Nlink : We have been hearing that by years end NW will announce an order to start slowly replacing the DC9"s, not all but around 50 or so. From what we were t
92 LifelinerOne : Shall I throw in a nice one... About two weeks ago their was a meeting between Ruud Kleinendorst with officials of KLM, Air France and Northwest. And
93 Post contains images UnitedTristar : Humm...That name doesn't sound too Dutch? Who could it be??? Very interesting LifelinerOne!
94 AirframeAS : AHEM!!!!!! Any anwsers to my question in reply #74?? Anyone?? Someone?? Hello?!?! LOL!!
95 LGB Photos : I doubt that the T-1 Prototype will be flown to the show. Also the 717 weighs less than the A318 and the seating configuration is better(IMHO) 2X3.
96 Elwood64151 : I doubt that the T-1 Prototype will be flown to the show. Perhaps not, but maybe one of AeBal's birds could be borrowed...
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