Airxliban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4534 posts, RR: 52 Posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1925 times:
It looks like Qantas flies to LAX from Auckland...
Isn't this a bit funny...why would the New Zealand government allow QF to fly this route in direct competition with Air New Zealand?
This might sound like a dumb question and it might well be a dumb question. What i mean to say is that is there any reason beyond "Qantas applied and got rights to fly this route" as to why a non-NZ and non-US carrier is flying this route in addition to Air NZ.
Al From Australia, joined Jun 1999, 593 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1891 times:
Any designated Oz carrier has had access to beyond rights, routes and traffic from N.Z. since late '94, as did any N.Z. carrier have the same access beyond Oz. There was a limit on the number of operations per week each country could have from the other country until Nov 2000, when both countries signed an agreement to drop all beyond restrictions for carriers of both countries.
At one stage NZ had a decent sized Asian route mini-hub operating in BNE, but this didn't last too long and apart from the on again/off again SYD-LAX route, NZ hasn't tried to capitalise on the agreement, either pre or post AN, whereas QF are making use of the agreement as you found out.
Motorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3800 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1602 times:
I believe NZ actually has completely open skies, not just with those countries.
I may be incorrect.
Yes you are, incorrect that is.
New Zealand has reciprocal open sky agreements with a few nations, including Singapore, UAE & Australia. Airlines from these nations are allowed, by the New Zealand government, beyond rights as well, but often not from any other governments.
Gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 6207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (11 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1570 times:
Airxliban (reply 4)
ANY US airline that wants to operate to OZ/NZ can do so. It just has to get US DOT approval & FAA operational clearance. US State dept then notifies the other government of the details,which then has to approve the flights. If they are within the parameters of the current bilateral treaty this approval is a formality and will be quickly issued. If the proposal is outside the current bilateral then negotiations must take place, this can delay things, but not for long in the current climate.
So why are there not at least two US carriers to OZ (HA doesn't count(yet)) and none to NZ?
Because they don't believe that they can make money on the route OR (& more likely) they believe they can make more elsewhere. I have said it before and I'll say it again, the US - SW Pacific is a difficult route to operate, its long, its thin and it has compertision that will fight you to the death because they have no where else to go!
What ever happens, on the US-SW Pacific route - 2nd last carrier standing = QF. Last carrier standing = NZ.