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Airline Pilots- Certification On Variety Of A/C?  
User currently offlineORBITJFK From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 150 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2140 times:

Hey,

Can airline pilots be certified on a number of aircraft. For example, an AA pilot be certified to fly 757, 767, and 777 aircraft, or are most pilots only able to fly one aircraft type. Thank you.

ORBITJFK

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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2124 times:

You betcha....

With DL, pilots can fly the MD-88 and MD-90, or fly the 757/762/763/763ER. With CO, I believe they can also fly the 764 with the whole 767 lineup.
I know with Fedex, the pilots are flying the MD-10 and the MD-11, even though the -10 is a different airframe anyways.

Saves the company money, but there's a limit to how much you can compartamentalize the pilot groups, as to currency and difference training. Ex, flying a steam guage 732 then going to an NG 738 for your next trip.

I havent seen 764/777 cross certification yet, though it's been talked about before.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineJtamu97 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 658 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2096 times:

I had a friend who flew for American who was certified for 707, 720, DC-9, 757/767/777 and DC-10. He had some great stories.


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User currently offline7574EVER From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 478 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2076 times:

but there's a limit to how much you can compartamentalize the pilot groups, as to currency and difference training. Ex, flying a steam guage 732 then going to an NG 738 for your next trip.

I heard that over at Continental the 737 pilots fly all the series. They could be on a -300 one trip and a -900 the next.



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User currently offlineJeckPDX From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

Anyone know if pilots trained for an A32X can also fly the A330/340? They share virtually the same cockpit.

JeckPDX



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2026 times:

WN certifies their pilots to fly all the 737s they currently have in their fleet. So one WN pilot could fly in a 735 and then fly out on a 73G then fly back on a 732.


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User currently offlineGT From Portugal, joined Dec 2003, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2002 times:

JeckPDX:

No. The pilots of A32X only can fly the family A318/19/20/21.
Yes you right the conckpit is almost the same but the aircraft is very diferent.

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Answering the topic question, the pilots can have certification in many planes that they want (or company want). There is no limitation.



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User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1974 times:

"The pilots of A32X only can fly the family A318/19/20/21"

In fact following a short differences course (CCQ, or Cross-Crew Qualification) A320 series pilots can have the A330 / A340 added to their rating and fly all these types. It's called Mixed Fleet Flying (MFF).

I have a few friends here in the UK who fly the A320 series and A330 series with Thomas Cook Airlines and Monarch Airlines. MyTravel operate the same system and when Virgin Atlantic operated the A320/321 these aircraft were flown by A340 pilots.

Once the CCQ course is complete these pilots can fly an A330 / A340 one day and an A320 the next without any problem at all and this provides airlines with great rostering flexibility, and the pilots with great variety.

If I remember correctly, the A320 to A330 CCQ course is around 8 days, with a further 2 days from A330 to add the A340 as well.



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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1952 times:

but there's a limit to how much you can compartamentalize the pilot groups, as to currency and difference training. Ex, flying a steam guage 732 then going to an NG 738 for your next trip.

I'll retract that statement partially....yall did remind me of Southwest's setup. However, their NG's have the PFD and ND set up to look like a regular round dial cockpit...not the style youd find say on a 777. I was more thinking along the lines of DL, who has their 738's set up with the 777 gages, and the 737-800 and -200 pilots are in their own groups. Close enough?  Smile

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1948 times:

I know Skyservice in Canada also has pilots certified on both the A320 and A330 aircraft. As Rick has said, this does provide with greater flexibility for the airline, and the pilots too.

The 757 and 767 are similar enough to require a very small differences course.



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User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1921 times:

I don't see why Southwest are so picky with how their 737 flightdecks are laid out.

Our 733 flightdecks look like this:


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While our 73G flightdecks have the 777-style PFD/ND setup and look like this:


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Not exactly the same at all, but we still fly both types after doing a differences course.



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User currently offlineRyanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1900 times:

Why do Southwest have their NG flightdecks set up like this:


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and not like this:


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Ryanair737  Smile

[Edited 2004-05-24 21:59:02]

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