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PHL Spotters Meeting.....busted.  
User currently offlineRthrbeflying86 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 243 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6088 times:

I drove down to PHL today a little late for the meet, saw the group of A.netters on the side of the road, and saw two notorious Philadelphia police cruisers standing right with them. I rolled down my window and slowed down, but I didn't want to attract the cops over to me. So I asked one of the guys if I should stop or just keep going, and he said keep going.

I was a bit disappointed that my first meet only lasted 5 seconds, but I ended up driving to another location, and wasn't hassled. I met Paul Kanagie, PHL's most frequent uploader, but didn't end up hanging around for F9 448 to show up.

Anyway I set up this thread so the other PHL guys can come on and let us know what went down.

Dan


I'd rather be flying.
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User currently offlineJrMafia90 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5985 times:

I wasn't there but they might of been in an unauthorized place. I don't know the location either but thats just my guess.

User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 5819 times:

Rthrbeflying86.. that was you that pulled over, eh? Haha.. we really didn't get in trouble. The fat, PMSing bitch of a police officer took all our info.. driver's license ss# and such.. then basically told up to leave. We spent the rest of the day up in the terminal D and E garage.. The boys got some nice shots up there.. plus it was shady. It wasn't Hog Island Road, but it was the next best thing..  Big grin

I couldn't imagine us being in the sun for all that time. We all got pretty good sunburns just being there a couple hours. All in all, we did have a great time. We're a cool bunch of guys..  Laugh out loud



Caution wake turbulence, you are following a heavy jet.
User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1247 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 5700 times:

The cop wanted my ID and I'm only 16. No, I do not drive yet and NO I DO NOT CARRY MY SCHOOL ID. Sorry, for yelling. Anyway she said to me, "At 16 you can get a PA ID for 9$". Ok, don't bitch at me because I didn't know that I could get an ID. What pay 9 bucks to go towards her payroll. So she can bust my PHL buds and I. No thank you. Anyway, Dan we were wondering who you were. To bad we couldn't meet up. I was the one in the bright red shorts. Once again I did not get to personally meet the infamous Paul Kanagie. JrMafia, No we were not in a restricted area. The only sign around is a Red one that is on the perimeter gate and say "Do not Trespass" or something like that. We all have been there many times and we rarely have someone say something to us. I myself have been there 6 times in 2 months and some of those days sretching 9 - 10 hours and cops see me but don't say a thing. She even commented on the scanners "Those things can pick up airband".

Ryan, "How did you get those frequencies, Did Radio Shack Program those frequencies in or did you". LOL


User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 5659 times:

 Laugh out loud  Laugh out loud  Laugh out loud

Hey Ed.. Nice signature! I'm so flattered. Big grin



Caution wake turbulence, you are following a heavy jet.
User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 5656 times:

I'm from Wisconsin, so this might be a dumb question, but, are Scanners 'illegal' in Pennsylvania?

I spot at KUNU (Juneau, WI) and KMSN (Madison, WI) and have my scanner with me all the time. Of course I have police frequencies programmed in also, since I got the freqs 3 years ago in school.



Hey Obama, keep the change! I want my dollar back.
User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 5588 times:

~"Scanners 'illegal' in Pennsylvania?"~

Nope.. at least, not to my knowledge. The police didn't take them. We were told that we can WATCH airplanes, but we can't use any type of electronic equipment, like video or regular cameras.. and I guess scanners too. The police woman just had a huge bug up her ass and wanted to get off by bossing around a bunch of people doing nothing wrong.. Bitch.  Insane


[Edited 2004-05-24 03:22:23]


Caution wake turbulence, you are following a heavy jet.
User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 5581 times:

I bought a scanner a few monthes ago, and find it quite informative of whats going on. Have not been hassled since I bought it, so I don't know what to expect yet.


Yay Pudding!
User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3539 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 5576 times:

hey Smcmac32msn, where do you spot at around MSN? I mostly am familiar with the GA side of the airport and there aren't that many good places that give you a good shot of much. I'm from dubuque and have flown into the GA side a lot but haven't had much time to explore around MSN. does the cargo ramp have much accessability?


Do you like movies about gladiators?
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 5532 times:

Don't these police have anything better to do ? This is ridiculous!

User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 5469 times:

No electronic equipment??? WTF!

Planespotting: I work on the GA side. I ususally go down to the approach end of 36 (Anderson St) or Hwy 51. I love the Anderson St. end when the 16's aren't taking off. The Cargo ramp is kind secluded here, even the East Ramp, you lose sight of the aircraft landing 36 when they drop below the military base to the west. I'd say, if you wanna come up, go up to County CV.

[Edited 2004-05-24 03:41:40]


Hey Obama, keep the change! I want my dollar back.
User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 5462 times:

Dan,
That was me who told you to keep going and that it was a bad day  Big grin Ahh they didn't do anything to us. Took my drivers license, and they filed out reports on each of us. I was cited for (and I quote from the report) "watching airplanes with binoculars". The stupid cop picks up one of the scanners and goes: "This thing picks up airband? WHERE DID YOU GET THIS?" Three of us all at the same time: "You can get them at Radio Shack!". It was great, she looked like a real horses ass. We had a blast up on the roof of the parking garage. Hence this pic (sorry, distorted because of sizing in the thread).

Ze Germans are coming!



Unfortunately I don't think it's a.net quality because of the haze, but nonetheless it's a neat shot.



Too often we ... enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought. - John Fitzgerald Kennedy
User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 5439 times:

watching airplanes with binoculars

I hope you didn't get a fine for this.



Hey Obama, keep the change! I want my dollar back.
User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 5432 times:

Yeah, Bry.. That is a great shot. Unfortunately, it was like 100 degrees outside. Is that RWY 26 at the bottom?


Caution wake turbulence, you are following a heavy jet.
User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 5423 times:

Oh and did I mention while these two cops are there filing out reports on each of us down the road a piece the dirtbikers and ATV'ers were doing wheelies in the road and were blocking traffic. Some lady pulled up in a Honda and yells to the officers while they're doing the reports: "Excuse me officer. You better get down the road, the dirtbikers are blocking the road." In reply, "I will just as soon as I'm done here maam." So once we're all finished, we get into the cars to start heading over to the parking garage and the police SUV pulls out last beghind our string of cars. We go under the overpass and there were dirtbikers EVERYWHERE. The cops come up the road about 20 seconds behind us and we're looking back and they're just scattering like ants. RUN FOR THE HILLS! They all fly in everywhich direction (all 50 of them). Shows you how assinine the police are. Some lady could be getting murdered down the road and they're busy filing reports on teenagers for looking at airplanes with binoculars and taking pictures of them.


Too often we ... enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought. - John Fitzgerald Kennedy
User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1247 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 5378 times:

No, there are no PA scanner laws to my knowledge either same with NJ. But in NY it is illegal and im sure CA. Ry, she also said we couldn't use Binocs. She only wrote "Watching Airplanes with Binoculars" on our Philadelphia Police Department Files. Nothing about cameras. So I can use my 20/20 eyes, but I may not use Binoculars which just magnify. Maybe she was thinking they could be those new ones with cameras. Oh no, nevermind she must be to stupid and ignorant to know about them or MAYBE she lives in Kensington! (She looked it)

User currently offlineNonrevman From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1302 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 5369 times:

but we can't use any type of electronic equipment, like video or regular cameras

So if I had shown up with my Nikon FM10, I would have been alright?


I was cited for (and I quote from the report) "watching airplanes with binoculars"

I would love to take a citation like that to court and have the plaintiff and judge try to explain to me exactly which law was broken. If someone lived near the airport and watched the planes with binoculars (which incidentally are NOT electronic), would they also receive a citation?

Anyways, glad I don't live in Philadelphia.



User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 5352 times:

Nobody received fines. They just took our driver's licenses and ran the numbers to see if we had any warrants (psshht) and then they pulled each of us aside individually to ask our AB / Sinchonri (K-16) (SSN / RKSM), South Korea">SSN's and questioning the people with scanners about where they got them and taking serials numbers down. Wasn't a big deal really. What we got from it was that supposedly due to terrorist threats, we're not allowed to have binoculars, cameras, or scanners when watching airplanes. But we can stop and watch them as much as we want otherwise.

Yeah that's 26 down there Ry.



Too often we ... enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought. - John Fitzgerald Kennedy
User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 5347 times:

Double post, sorry! Above that should be S S N's...that damn auto acronym feature gets in the way sometimes.

[Edited 2004-05-24 03:55:30]


Too often we ... enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought. - John Fitzgerald Kennedy
User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 5332 times:

I was cited for (and I quote from the report) "watching airplanes with binoculars"

I still hope you didn't get a fine for it. And even if you didn't, you should take it to court to get it expunged from your records. Just give this website to the judge and have him use the search page to see how many hundreds of pictures have been taken there without a problem!



Hey Obama, keep the change! I want my dollar back.
User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 5319 times:

So, is it an actual citation where you are charged? Or just a warning/information card? Seems to me that it was her time of the month.


Yay Pudding!
User currently offlineUAL Bagsmasher From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 5312 times:

It's not just PHL either. ORD is notorious for hating spotters.

User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 5317 times:

PHL PD evidentally have nothing better to do or was it Airport PD or Philly Pd that was harassing you guys?? I hope that some of you guys make it down to FL to see what crap we have to deal with down here for spotting at least at MCO. TPA is awesome at letting spotters and photographers have their fun. Once the day comes to where we all have ID's like in the UK for spotting. Then life will be somewhat easier hopefully.


Sean from MCO



I Don't know where I am anymore
User currently offlineNonrevman From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1302 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 5291 times:

What we got from it was that supposedly due to terrorist threats, we're not allowed to have binoculars, cameras, or scanners when watching airplanes

If I were you, it might be prudent to find out exactly where this "rule" is in writing.


User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 5273 times:

I don't know exactly what kind of report it was. Was a white form that had all of my personal data on it from my drivers license as well as she took my soc. sec. number. I think what they do is put them on file and if you're stopped by them again down there then they'll really lay into you. We weren't charged with anything, just were told to move on and they didn't want to see us back there anytime today. As far as I know, Future FO, the Airport Police are Philadelphia Police offciers, just at the Airport Precinct (unless someone knows otherwise?).


Too often we ... enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought. - John Fitzgerald Kennedy
25 Rthrbeflying86 : After I left you guys I drove about 100 yards further and just watched there with my handheld for a while. I hung around til about 3:30, met Paul Kana
26 Post contains images MD11LuxuryLinr : Yeah.. When it was MY turn to talk to the lovely police.. errr... women, they asked which frequencies I had in my scanner and such. I told her I had b
27 DeltaMD11 : Dan, It's a shame that you only had the chance to see us with the Buffalo that I am now going to refer to as the "Inquisition". Maloy is a beasty woma
28 BishopofPHL : Hey guys.... I'm new on a.net and was planning on stopping by the meet-up to say hi, but right when I was going to (right after the 2:00 BA 747 landed
29 Post contains images Rthrbeflying86 : Great...just tell me all about the blast that you had. By the way, I always listen with my handheld radio (that has a push-to-talk). I'm a licensed pi
30 Post contains images MD11LuxuryLinr : If you actually transmitted on a frequency and you weren't flying an airplane in the vicinity.. heh. That's a NO NO.. Don't do it
31 USAFHummer : Sorry that I couldn't make it down there today, and sorry to see that Philadelphia International Airport's finest have again shown no sense towards av
32 Goingboeing : I was busted at MCI a couple of years ago. They "detained" me for about a half hour while two police cars and a paddy wagon showed up. The cop was que
33 Post contains images Rthrbeflying86 : That's a NO NO.. Don't do it Not to worry, I already knew that. They do actually make us learn the rules before giving us our certificates...
34 Cicadajet : Its news to me if Scanners are illegal in New York. I believe they *are* legal in New York. However, in New Jersey, someone did (reportedly) get a "ti
35 Post contains images MD11LuxuryLinr : Dan, If your just listening with your handheld transmitter/receiver, I don't see why it would be illegal. If you were caught with it at, say, one of o
36 Post contains links Wagz : Hey Ed, that's an awesome sig! Leave it to Ry to come up with the good lines. For anyone that's intrested, here are two vids from our afternoon on the
37 KcrwFlyer : im from CRW and dont know what your talking about but to the police officer, BEEYIATCH!!!!!!
38 Post contains links Go3Team : Here is the actual link to the vids the < and the > screw it up for some reason. DSCF0022.AVI DSCF0023.AVI Edit: Interesting vids btw, You got any of
39 WindowSeat : Guys, finally got home at 10.30pm. Ryan, boy, are you upset over that beeyatch? And rightfully so! As she was checking our IDs here came Speed bird!
40 Wagz : I beleive Curt (Concord997) has us all on film, or rather compact flash card. He took a few group shots of us standing at the ledge overlooking termin
41 Post contains images Go3Team : Gonna have to do this again, so I can plan ahead.
42 Asuflyer05 : I know this isn't exactly what you guys were doing, but I guess it is similar. No Photos Please: Watch Where you Point "Is there a a rule against taki
43 J_hallgren : So you guys were just out "bird watching" and those darn planes keep getting in the way...maybe that approach might be better?
44 PHLBOS : Guys, I didn't see this thread until after I posted my 'Where were you guys reply?' on the original spotter's thread. During my 3 hour stint on Hog Is
45 US AIRWAYS : Man, do I always miss all the fun!!!! I've actually been up here in KBUF territory for the weekend. Unfortunatley I had a great aunt that died, so we
46 PHLBOS : By the way....since it's technically Del. County down at the other end of the airport, do Tinicum Twp (or whatever it is there) police ever bother spo
47 Tjwgrr : Somethin's gotta change in this country.... such misdirected efforts. A group of innocent spotters is harassed at PHL, meanwhile an infrared motion de
48 PHLBOS : After I left you guys I drove about 100 yards further and just watched there with my handheld for a while. I hung around til about 3:30, met Paul Kana
49 Cleco : Hey, I wear glasses...do I have to take them off when I go spotting?
50 Post contains images PHLBOS : I wear glasses...do I have to take them off when I go spotting? Only if they're the type that Tom Cruise used in the Mission Impossible films.
51 Gib : Here's what ya'll should attempt... I spot in and around the SE, (mostly ATL/MOB/BHM/MSY) and have went directly to TSA at each airport for authorizat
52 ChrisNH : I'm from New Hampshire and I am founder of the MHT (Manchester) Yahoo Group. I couldn't help but sympathize with what you went through. Many of our me
53 Aviationhack : The cops at DEN are the same way, but i got a good explanation from a cop friend why airport cops are such asses. According to him the pigs at the air
54 Rthrbeflying86 : red Ford Contour Its a Mercury Mystique, okay?? JK...everyone gets them mixed up. Yeah that was me, by the way. Dan
55 DeltaMD11 : Ladies and gentlemen, there is a God! PHL's own Paul Kanagie spoke with Lt. Corsino down at the airport PD today, and just to quote what was said: "Br
56 Post contains images MD11LuxuryLinr : YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Screw that big bitch Malloy Thanks Paul! I love you man!
57 DeltaMD11 : I'm trying to curb my own enthusiasm but all I have to say is: It's about damn time we win one and start making some headway from our end of the situa
58 Concord977 : I'm glad to know that someone got involved in the harassment at PHL. I want all of the PHL spotters to know that I spent 3 hours working on a letter t
59 Post contains images MD11LuxuryLinr : ~"I'm trying to curb my own enthusiasm "~ Borrrring! Come on Bry. ~"I'm still kind of shocked that the Lt. was so good about it all"~ He could have be
60 DeltaMD11 : Curt, Good show my man. Hopefully that letter will have some impact. What's great is that people in this country are just scared shitless (and we can'
61 Post contains images Wagz : While one can not deny the problems our "friends" at the TSA have, I am least happy that "Mr. TSA" that was strolling around the garage on Sunday did
62 Post contains links Concord977 : Check this out ... we aren't alone: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/aviation_photography/read.main/133438/ http://www.airliners.net/discussions/a
63 Aviationwiz : Whenever I walk around inside an airport, I always have a camera on my neck or my wrist in case a rare shot ever comes up and I need to take a photo q
64 AirframeAS : You guys should send this forum topic to the police woman at the PHL police department and see what happens LOL!
65 Post contains images PHLapproach : Thank you so much Paul . You are a true hero to the PHL gang. Curt, Thank you too for creating that letter. Maybe the TSA will be more lax with using
66 Post contains images PHLBOS : Its a Mercury Mystique, okay?? JK...everyone gets them mixed up. Yeah that was me, by the way. Dan, I almost was about to say Mercury Mystique but the
67 Gib : Congrats from ATL, gentlemen!! Give em' hell! Gib
68 GARUDAROD : I find it very amusing how uninformed the police can be in various parts of the country. Spotting has only been going on for what, a hundred years, w
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