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Capps II Lawsuit To Be Filed In Alaska Monday  
User currently offlineL-188 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

At 10 AM monday the 24 a group of Alaska Travel agents will got the Federal Courthouse in downtown Anchorage and file a lawsuit to prevent the CAPPSII program from going into effect.

They point out that they may loose buisness because the law requires them to spy on their clients, They also note that many of the "red flags" that the system uses are normal conditions for people living in the state of Alaska, where many villages don't have streets or street addresses.


I know the rest of you join me in hoping them the best.

Edit:For those of you who aren't in know CAPPS II is the propose TSA security program that will examine your bank records, and other personal information to determine if you are a security risk and assign you color bording passes based on that info.

[Edited 2004-05-24 10:05:59]

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User currently offlineVonRichtofen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

How will this CappsII assign passengers that are only connecting in the US? Many Canadians travel to other countries via the US. It would be illegal for them to obtain bank info etc. of a non-US citizen. Would they be automatic red flags or something?


User currently offlineAirframeAS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

How will this CappsII assign passengers that are only connecting in the US?

This is a VERY good question. I dont agree with CAPPS program or anything like it. What do bank records have to do with being able to travel? Basically nothing at all. I hope that this program NEVER takes effect anywhere for any reason. This is another way of scaring customers. The airlines are trying to run a business and CAPPS only defies the point of running an airline anyway.

User currently offlineUAL747DEN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

This program is a joke and I would never let these people look into my accounts. Although I don't think they would actually be able to look into your bank accounts and its more like just checking your credit rating I still don't think that it is right. It is none of their business and maybe they should run this same program on the people they hire. The trash TSA agents that work the screening area would all be red flags. I wonder what WN will do about all their passengers they will all also have red flags!

User currently offlineUA744KSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

It's just the latest version of the big folly. It's designed to make people think that their government is able to protect them, when in reality, CAPPS II can do nothing to prevent terrorism. It proves that the Bush administration knows little about terrorism and even less about how to stop it.

User currently offlineBullpitt From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

Americans seem to be giving up their rights and freedom for what? I think some of the measures implemented over there have more to do with a fascist nation than with a democracy. What next? Get everyone to spy on their neighbors and file a report with the local political commissary. This is starting to be more like the old USSR.  Sad This is all very worrying to say the least. Hope the courts put some sense into this.

User currently offlineAirframeAS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 18 hours ago) and read 2149 times:

Seems like the Freedom of Information Act goes a little too far maybe? I guess the Privatcy Act doesnt fit into any of this.....

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 17 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

I wonder how CAPPSII will work for non-residents of the US ? I would be seriously amazed if my name and address were present in any US commercial database (unless they check ToysRUs.com or CheesecakeFactory.com), so no doubt I will be dragged away and strip searched every time I check in for a US domestic flight. Seems kind of unreasonable to me.

User currently offlineL-188 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 17 hours ago) and read 2105 times:

Just to update.

The lawsuit has been filed, in addtion to the travel agents, the Bering Straits School District here in Alaska is also a plantiff. That particular school distric covers an area the size of the state of Minnesota and in which none of the villiages that have school are on the road system.


BTW:The admin for that school district is somebody that I have meet, he was living out in the same bush town I was.

User currently offlineL-188 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

Another story link guys


I really want to see this poster they are going to be putting up with the TSA agent being chased down by the Bear.

User currently offlineCkfred From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 6 hours ago) and read 2018 times:

The situation we have here is trying to do something smart, i.e., identify persons who are potential threats to aviation safety before they walk into an airport terminal, rather than simply screen every passenger for items that could be used to commit acts of terrorism.

The problem is that so much of the improvements in aviation security are being done on the fly, without allowing adequate time to think through ideas and test them. After Pan Am 103 blew up, the British took four years to get security to a level that the government felt was adequate, and another 2 to 3 years to get the security to a level that was considered very good.

The Federal government is notorious for being too slow, until a crisis occurs. On the other hand, the American public wants most everything today, and the really important things should be done yeserday.

Certainly, time was of the essence after September 11th, but Congress set deadlines for federalizing the screening force, imposing bag matching, and screeing all checked luggage, without giving any thought to the logistics of testing and implementing improved security measures.

That said, I have what appears to be a measure that would achieve some of the goals of CAPPS II without the intrusiveness that is inherent in the system.

Most state driver's licenses have security measures that include digital photos, holograms, and barcodes or magnetic stripes that contain identity information. My suggestion is that when a person makes a reservation, he be required to give either his license number or his passport number, in addition to his name, address, and phone number. Since everyone has to present photo ID at the airport, this is not an invasion of privacy.

Then, the information on the ID can be run against various databases for known terrorists and criminals (CIA, FBI, Interpol, British Intelligance, Mossad, etc.) This should certainly be better than CAPPS I, and it shouldn't be as intrusive as CAPPS II.

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