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When And Why Did SQ Quit YYZ?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9507 posts, RR: 13
Posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5481 times:

When and why? Any plans to resume service??? Where did it go through?

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User currently offline747400F From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5470 times:

I might be wrong but were SQ ever online in YYZ with own metal
I remember them having a service via CPH and LHR with codeshare on AC.
Fom CPH it stopped when AC decided to drop CPH as a destination - the combination may still exist via LHR.

User currently offlineAXESS From Japan, joined Mar 2004, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5460 times:

Very short lived.
I think it was SIN-somewhere-AMS-YYZ.
Stopped flying just before their start of New York SVC.

Remember that at the similar period, AC had YYZ-BOM-SIN by 747 I think 3 times a week, and they also stopped flying this route...

User currently offlineEjazz From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2002, 740 posts, RR: 33
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5397 times:

Service operated SIN-VIE-AMS-YYZ and return. I managed quite a few during the winter season since most avoided the flight because of the cold. Air Canada flew to Singapore via London and Bombay and were not happy about SQs presence on the route. Our arriving and departing YYZ flights were continually plagued by problems almost akin to sabotage and eventually the route was cancelled, I'm guessing around 1992.

I'm not laying blame at the foot of AC but the whole affair left a nasty taste. I can't remember the exact details of why but I do recall SQ had to take out full page newspaper ads to keep its Vancouver flights and explain its withdraw from YYZ.

Maybe someone with a better memory can be more specific. I just remember the wonderful Hotel, people, bars, food and yes the weather.

Etihad Girl, You're a great way to fly.
User currently offlineAsianguy767 From Singapore, joined Oct 2003, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5290 times:

AC did protest SQ flying AMS-YYZ. SQ had only 2x B744 flts while AC had a daily on a B767.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9507 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5161 times:

Any chance that YYZ might come back? Also LAS, ORD?

User currently offlineEx_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5047 times:

Maybe someone with a better memory can be more specific.

I guess that would be me. This is a long and complicated story, and I will try my best to be as succint and as factual as possible.

Singapore and Canada signed their first bilateral in the mid-80s, and AC started YYZ-LHR-BOM-SIN not long after. During the negotiations, the Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore (CAAS) was primarily interested in getting AC to SIN, and hence they agreed to terms that were not favourable to SQ starting services to both YVR and YYZ. For example, to YYZ, SQ could not operate through a number of European cities, and all flights had to stop first in Montreal. To YVR, they could not fly through some Asian cities, and they had to stop on the US West Coast first.

SQ protested to the CAAS, and around 1986 or so they gave Canada 12 months' notification that the bilateral was being voided. The two countries went back to the negotiating table and agreed on a new bilateral. With this new bilateral, SQ started SIN-SEL-YVR in 1988 and SIN-VIE-AMS-SIN in 1991. AC, meanwhile, withdrew their route in early 1991 because of losses.

Not long after SQ started flying to YYZ, AC protested to Transport Canada, saying that SQ flew too many fifth freedom passengers between Europe and YYZ. Incidentally, AC did not fly to AMS at the time but they had nonstop service to VIE. Transport Canada therefore gave 12 months' notice. This time, the two countries could not agree and the bilateral was cancelled.

SQ continued operating the YVR service under a "special license" that has to be renewed yearly. The YYZ flights were discontinued. Till today, the two countries do not have a bilateral.

There is more to this than what I have described above, but this is the gist of it

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