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AA 191 25th Anniversary  
User currently offlineOrd From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1390 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 5246 times:

For those that remember the crash of American 191 at O'Hare Airport in Chicago, it's hard to believe tomorrow (May 25) will be the 25th anniversary of the crash.

The DC-10 from Chicago to Los Angeles had a full load that Friday, partly because of the busy Memorial Day weekend and also because American's chief competitor on the ORD-LAX run, United, was on strike at the time and not operating.

When the left engine fell off on take-off and the airplane crashed, it was at the time the worst aviation disaster in the U.S. and led to the temporary grounding of the DC-10.

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User currently offlineAa777flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 5212 times:

To this date it still is the worst single airplane disaster in US aviation history.  Sad

User currently offlineSpeedbirdHeavy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 5181 times:

Wow! I can't believe it's been all this time. I remember it like it was last year.

I especially remember walking down the street in Evanston and seeing the black smoke vapors wafting overhead. I was a good 10 miles from the crash site too.



China Airlines...Come fry with us!
User currently offlineORDAgent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 5135 times:

I was walking home from grade school in Bloomingdale IL and saw the smoke along with my classmates. We thought it might have been a house fire. We were so wrong.

User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2074 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 5034 times:

I don't know if anything will be done to commemorate the crash... there is currently no memorial at the crash site. The plane went down before I was born, but I live in Chicago and have driven past the crash site many times. There's nothing to suggest that almost 300 people died there.

User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1834 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week ago) and read 4963 times:

I didn't realize I'd gotten that old. I vividly remember hearing the bulletin coming across on TV, and I remember the sadness I felt, even though I did't know any of the pax.

I lived in Ft. Worth at the time, and had not yet ever been to Chicago or ORD. I was at ORD later that summer, however, and watched an AA DC-10 Captain give his plane a very thorough pre-flight check.

My cousin told me that she and her family were circling ORD shortly after the crash and were not aware of what had happened. On one of the circles she looked out and saw the fire and wreckage, and they soon figured it out.

Younger people today may not believe this, in today's post-Robert Crandall era, but there was a time when the airlines filled the skies over the US with DC-10's, 747's, and L-1011's on domestic flights. It was another time and another world. Things sure have changed.



Flying Colors Forever!
User currently offline22right From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 420 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week ago) and read 4932 times:

Where exactly is the crash site? Specific directions will be highly appreciated... I know it was near Touhy Avenue, but how do I get there, say from River Rd?


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User currently offlineClrd2go From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4854 times:



I was at BOS waiting to board a TW 707 to DEN when I heard of
the crash..got an eerie feeling when I saw an AA DC10 taxi by...overheard
flight attendants in the boarding area discussing the crash.



Jim



What a long strange trip it's been
User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4717 times:

I was one and a half years old when 191 went down. Needless to say I don't remember it. But having the infatuation that I do with the DC10, I have found myself scouring through 191's NTSB crash report a dozen or so times. It can be pretty upsetting.

~"but there was a time when the airlines filled the skies over the US with DC-10's, 747's, and L-1011's on domestic flights. It was another time and another world. Things sure have changed."~

You got that right, Contrails. Damn I miss those days. Its hard to believe that only 15 years ago, I could watch daily parades of 741s, DC10s, and L1011s coming from ORD, LAX, etc. Nowadays, it's all A319/320/321s, 73G/738s, and the occasional 757 (if we're lucky), being utilized on the same routes. Speaking locally of course..  Smile



Caution wake turbulence, you are following a heavy jet.
User currently offlineTexaSkies From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4613 times:

One of my best childhood friends lost his sister, one of the FA's, on AA 191 on that terrible day in 1979. To those who perished and there loved ones God Bless.


User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4582 times:

I wasn't alive at the time of the crash, but a few months ago, I read some of the ghost stories from the crash and they fascinated me. As do the ghost stories from Eastern 401.

User currently offlineDc863 From Denmark, joined Jun 1999, 1558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4545 times:

RJpieces I've read those stories about ghosts from AA191 as well. Speaking of ghosts and air crashes there is a story of a ghost at Heathrow Terminal 1 that is somehow connected to BE548 that crashed just after take-off from LHR-BRU in June 1972.

User currently offlineVorticity From United States of America, joined May 2004, 337 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4485 times:

AA 191 occured before I was born, but people have since learned from the tragedy. We studied the case in a Materials Engineering course. It won't be forgotten


Thermodynamics and english units don't mix...
User currently offlineAirfinair From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 667 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4359 times:

I remember driving down the Kennedy Expressway near Harlem Ave., heading into the city and seeing the first plumes of smoke rise up. It was an eerie site, and one I will never forget. We immediately turned on the radio, and listened to reports for the next 5 hours for the start of our Memorial Day weekend roadtrip.

The Chicago Tribune has a great detailed editorial about the crash in today's edition, with details of the upcoming History Channel program on 5/27, "The Crash of Flight 191."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0405250061may25,1,5377219.story



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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4696 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

I think there are no further words necessary...  Crying



Sorry, found no copyright informations regarding this horrible picture.



[Edited 2004-05-25 14:53:42]


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User currently offlineDadoftyler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4206 times:

Amazing. Twenty-five years.

I was working the Staff desk in Reservations in Ft. Worth for American at the time. 191 was not only booked full, it had been booked full for several weeks. In fact, I had taken an irate call the day before that fateful Friday from a customer who called me everything but a child of God to try and get me to overbook him on that flight. I didn't.

After the crash, those of us on Staff began to take calls from family members. At the time, we didn't have a positive manifest, but we could confirm that 191 had been involved in an incident but that we had no further information (a blatant lie), and we got their names, relationships, and phone numbers for callbacks, and asked them to remain available at that phone number.

That day was horrific. At the time, I was surprised that the people I talked to were not more hysterical--later, I realized they were all in shock. The one really bizarre one I talked to was from a lady who wanted to confirm if her husband was aboard. I gave her my shpiel, to which she replied, "well I hope the son of a bitch was on that plane, and hope the whore he's screwing was sitting next to him."

The manner in which airlines handle incidents like this has changed dramatically since 1979. Now, airlines have "care teams" specially trained to handle phone inquiries and have teams constantly ready to be deployed to assist each family involved in tragedies like this. That's wonderful, but I sure wish I had had some sort of advance training or preparation for what I went through 25 years ago. I didn't sleep well for many, many weeks.


User currently offlineOrd From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4180 times:

Another note on the crash that I remember is that there was a famous author on the flight; I believe her name was Judith Wax but I can't be sure. One of her books was an autobiography, and in that book she described her fear of flying and the danger of it all. The page in her book where this was written? Page 191.

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8041 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4097 times:

Stories like this makes you wonder what would have happened if the FAA had decided right there and then to permanently pull the plug on DC-10 certification (I'm sure that had been considered given the the chequered history of the plane at that time).

My guess is that it would have dramatically increased 767 sales as both AA and UA scrambled to replace the lost capacity from the grounding of the DC-10. And it might have pushed Boeing to get earlier ETOPS certification, too.


User currently offlineTristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4024 times:

Seems to me, if you reads the Trib artice from the link back at AIRFINAIRS reply, that the 10 wasn't the culprit HERE. That McD/D reccomended a certain way to maintain the engine and pylons, and that AA had done it ANOTHER way to save time. Bad engineering? Bad maintenance? Bad combo of both? As I had nothing to do with AA or McD/D, I'll leave the "armchair quarterbacking" to others.

Yes, this argument will go on for years about who gets the blame. And the fact it was the fourth fatal accident involving a 10 doesn't look so good, either.

I'll be anxious to watch the History Channel program Thursday, about the incident.






If you don't stand for SOMETHING, you'll fall for ANYTHING.
User currently offlineOrd From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3973 times:

"My guess is that it would have dramatically increased 767 sales as both AA and UA scrambled to replace the lost capacity from the grounding of the DC-10."

This is a good thought. But keep in mind if your scenario played out and the DC-10 was grounded permanently, that would have been in May of 1979. The first 767 didn't enter service until September 1982 with United. So something other than the 767 would have been needed to fill the gap for almost 3-1/2 years.


User currently offlineHirisk From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3916 times:

i can't believe it's been 25 years already!i was about 2 years old when that happened.

22right,the crash site is off the end of 32R right infront of a trailer park.i'm sure one of the local A.NETTER's knows where it is better then i do.i got that out of AIR DISASTER Vol 2.

lets hope nothing like that happens again



happy contrails
User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3890 times:

The building in the picture is AA maintenance hanger at ORD. One of the supervisors had just stepped out and saw the whole thing happen.

User currently offlineSterne82 From Belgium, joined May 2000, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3887 times:

We are talking about people who lost their lives in an horrible crash, and you're speaking about; what if the 10 has been grounded definitely...

No comment.

Regards,

Sterne


User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3862 times:

For those of you interested I saw Fox News has special on 191 this evening 25May

God Bless all those who lost their life that day.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3842 times:

I was 13 at the time of the crash. I remember seeing a photo similar (but shot at a different angle) to the one shown in Reply #14 in a then-current LIFE magazine article.

A few days following the crash, for something to do; my mother took my brother and I over to Saratoga Road (Route 145) at the East Boston-Winthrop line to watch the planes land at BOS' 22L. We had done something similar weeks before the crash and noticed the sizable void created by the DC-10 groundings when comparing the 2 visits.

At the time, the only widebody trijets we saw landing were TWA L1011s (I don't believe DL had any L1011s operating out of BOS at the time). We did see a few more 707s or 720s than usual during the post-crash visit.

Man, does time fly.



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
25 Ultrapig : After this Crash TWA started putting a statement in all of its timetables essentially "The ONLY WideBodies TWA flies are 747 and L1011's"" In other wo
26 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Should also be mentioned that today is the 2nd anniversary of the latest CI crash.... though, doubt that title will last long 225 people died.
27 Ord : Ultrapig, I believe this was also the time when TWA placed "L-1011" on the center engine of their L-1011 fleet so that nobody would think it was a DC-
28 Ultrapig : Ord-you and I must be old-you are right
29 Post contains links and images September11 : View Large View MediumPhoto © Mick Bajcar one of their classic planes a rich story to remember what happened that very day
30 Cubsrule : Hirisk/22R- The crash occurred at the Northeast corner of Touhy and Elmhurst/York, quite close to the Des Plaines Oasis on the Northwest Tollway. The
31 Sprxflyswa : The pic of the -10 on its side always gives me a chill up my back. That one and the ones of the PSA 727 going down in San Diego have the same effect.
32 Ord : Ultrapig, one more note on your initial comment I'm sure you remember was that when the DC-10s were put back into service after the grounding American
33 Bobs89irocz : My dad actually works in that hanger thats in the picture. I meet a fellow last year that had his parents on board this flight, they where bound to LA
34 Ckfred : I was in high school that day, about 15 miles from the crash site, and we could see the smoke. We figured it was just a nearby building on fire. My ne
35 B777fa : Does anyone have a crew list for the flight?? I would like to put up their names up in operations when I go to work tonight, so everyone can remember/
36 SonicKidatBWI : It seems as if there were so many horrific DC-10 crashes . . . Air New Zealand DC-10-30, THY Turkish Airlines DC-10-30, United Air Lines DC-10-10 Flig
37 Ord : "It seems as if there were so many horrific DC-10 crashes . . . Air New Zealand DC-10-30, THY Turkish Airlines DC-10-30, United Air Lines DC-10-10 Fli
38 ConcordeBoy : For those of you interested I saw Fox News has special on 191 this evening 25May What time? I see nothing in their schedule on it specifically.
39 UAL Bagsmasher : I drove past the scene today at 3:00 pm, just about the time when the plane went down 25 years ago. Off in the distance, I saw two busses parked with
40 Post contains images Superfly : Why was my post deleted? I posted the same photo as TriStar500?[Edited 2004-05-26 00:47:48]
41 N9801F : SonicKidatBWI, Can you give the link to the site you mention? Thank you.
42 RayChuang : Ord, you wrote: But keep in mind if your scenario played out and the DC-10 was grounded permanently, that would have been in May of 1979. The first 76
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