Kl808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1573 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3229 times:
Yes that's true they need the aircrafts ASAP.
But, It will be a total shock if they do order the B717 because it has been stated by 5J itself that the B717 has an uncertain future and it doesn't want a fleet of B717 that might not be in production in the next couple of years.
The reason 5J wants a new fleet is to further shoot itself in front of Philippine Airlines. Currently PR's 733, A320, as well as A330's, plow the skies in the Philippines, and the public in the Philippines is quiet influential with regards to the "brand new ness " of aircrafts.
therefore if 5J orders B717, and the production line ceases for example... PR Can put a campaign blitz that it still has Brand new planes... Or planes that are still produced. Cause the public wont know that the B717 would be new.
anyways that's just Filipino mentality about new stuff. I cant really explain it, but some of our Filipino friends might vouch for me on this one.
Now if Boeing gives 5J a really SWEAT deal, that if lets say they do cease production, and it can swap them for B73X series, then YES we might see a B717 deal, but nothing less.
Embraer might be out of question because of availability like you guys have stated.
A318 would be too heavy but can be a possibility. The A319, yes might be overcapacity for 5J, BUT provides underbelly containers which might increase cargo, since they have agreements with many shipping companies such as aboitz.
Wirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2872 times:
Could be that Cebu Pacific will take the 14 Qantas 717s as they are replaced
by the new A320s for Jetstar which launched yesterday, a QF 717 was recently in the Cebu Pacific hangar at Manila for assessment.
Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4111 posts, RR: 39 Reply 10, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2862 times:
Suppose the deciding factors in this case are less the aircraft itself but:
1. Who is offering the better financial deal to Cebu Pacific?
2. What is the demand in a few years? If steady then the B712 is a no-brainer, but if moving upwards, than the A319 is better suited, as it has a family around it.
3. What and how many delivery slots are available from the lessors and manufacturers?
In general terms I think that the A319 is the better choice, even though the B712 might be more economical in the very near future. however, as a carrier you can't think in a 2-3 year window, but in a long-term window. You could expect that this fleet decision will last for the next 10-15 years for 5J - and given the uncertainity around the B717 and the unpredictability of demand the A32X seems to be a better choice.
KL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1573 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2702 times:
Good point flying tigers.
Again though I have my big doubts about the B717 order. Like Flying tigers pointed out the A319 would be a better choice IF and only IF there is a future increase of Demand. Also cargo is better on this aircraft.
The main reason for them getting rid of the DC-9 is because most of them has an upcoming check of some sort not sure if its a D check.
and the DC-9's are a bit old when you step in them.
Last time I flew 5J was last December on the DVO-CBU-DVO route and the interior was truly showing its age especially the seats.
Cospn From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1473 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2526 times:
So Send them to Air Asia in Taiwan for a new Interior cheaper than a new airplane Philippines is lucky to have a good and cheap Heavy MX center Just an hour away in Tainan Taiwan...Taiwan is much smaller but has more flights than the Philippines..DC9's are the best...If they get rid of them it will be the end of Cebu Pacific Air ..the numbers dont work..
AirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3639 posts, RR: 12 Reply 18, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2261 times:
Well hopefully Cebu will order the 717, although they have at least one DC-9 from YX that was due for a D check when YX sold it to them last year, so they should be able to get a few more years out of that one.
Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
Cospn From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1473 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2153 times:
The point is NW is Fine and happy and has been Flying DC-9's since the 60's and will for many more years to come..and have to buy Hush kits for them..
Most Pax on NW pay more than 100 RT to fly Developing contries need good low cost airtransport not going into Dept to pay off 717 A320's..
just hate to see Developing Countries wasting money sending it to Countries like the USA while they in this case take the Money an Fly the DC-9 But Thats OK with Me I'm a US Citizen..I Just go to AB) (MNL / RPLL), Philippines">MNL and see the Kids on the Street Begging while Govt And Business leaders feed their ego with SUV's and A320's
I thing buying new planes for a Developing Country is Arrogant when most people cant afford to fly then I go to the US and see DC 9's and 727-200's and DC-10's Flying Around..I Just don't get it...