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Cebu Air $300m Order Soon  
User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4552 times:

Cebu Air is expected to order put in a $300m order for either the 717-200 or A319 to replace it's' entire fleet of DC-9's.

I think the 717 would be perfect for Cebu Air, any order for the 717 is good. Keep the original Douglas jet going.

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User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4499 times:

I've stated many times that the B717 was out due to its uncertain future, so it MAY be the A319, though, 5J isn't happy with this aircraft either due to its high capacity.

Could it be an embraer order?

drew



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User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6153 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4432 times:

CEBU had not ruled out the 717. They have stated they are interested in it many times.

ASSFO



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User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4305 times:

"Justplanes" noted nothing about Embraer.....perhaps they're not as soon available as Cebu wants new planes.....

User currently offlineKl808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4249 times:

Yes that's true they need the aircrafts ASAP.

But, It will be a total shock if they do order the B717 because it has been stated by 5J itself that the B717 has an uncertain future and it doesn't want a fleet of B717 that might not be in production in the next couple of years.

The reason 5J wants a new fleet is to further shoot itself in front of Philippine Airlines. Currently PR's 733, A320, as well as A330's, plow the skies in the Philippines, and the public in the Philippines is quiet influential with regards to the "brand new ness " of aircrafts.

therefore if 5J orders B717, and the production line ceases for example... PR Can put a campaign blitz that it still has Brand new planes... Or planes that are still produced. Cause the public wont know that the B717 would be new.

anyways that's just Filipino mentality about new stuff. I cant really explain it, but some of our Filipino friends might vouch for me on this one.

Now if Boeing gives 5J a really SWEAT deal, that if lets say they do cease production, and it can swap them for B73X series, then YES we might see a B717 deal, but nothing less.

Embraer might be out of question because of availability like you guys have stated.

A318 would be too heavy but can be a possibility. The A319, yes might be overcapacity for 5J, BUT provides underbelly containers which might increase cargo, since they have agreements with many shipping companies such as aboitz.

drew



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User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4142 times:

WHats all this? I thought the order for the 717 for these guys was pretty much done. The thing fits their needs almost perfectly, whereas the airbus has too much capacity for their load factors.


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User currently offlinePennPal From United States of America, joined May 2004, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4006 times:

I, too, would like to see them order the 717...it seems logical, since they already operate DC-9's.

And if they order 717's, along with ATA and others, it might motivate Boeing to keep the line open, as has been discussed before.


User currently offlineCospn From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1621 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3932 times:

Why would they replace the DC 9's they are working fine for NW..

If it is good enough for Americans, I should be OK in the Philippines that pay less than USD 100 for a round trip flite..

They are stupid if the waste that money...Look at NW and keep the 9's..

CO only stopped 727 service from AB) (MNL / RPLL), Philippines">MNL a few years ago..It is just some sort of scam to rip off the traveling public of the Philippines and put it into someone's pocket..


User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3893 times:

A likely possiblity is that Cebu takes some or all of the 717's now operating by Jetstar...

User currently offlineWirraway From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

Could be that Cebu Pacific will take the 14 Qantas 717s as they are replaced
by the new A320s for Jetstar which launched yesterday, a QF 717 was recently in the Cebu Pacific hangar at Manila for assessment.


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4161 posts, RR: 36
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3882 times:

Suppose the deciding factors in this case are less the aircraft itself but:

1. Who is offering the better financial deal to Cebu Pacific?
2. What is the demand in a few years? If steady then the B712 is a no-brainer, but if moving upwards, than the A319 is better suited, as it has a family around it.
3. What and how many delivery slots are available from the lessors and manufacturers?

In general terms I think that the A319 is the better choice, even though the B712 might be more economical in the very near future. however, as a carrier you can't think in a 2-3 year window, but in a long-term window. You could expect that this fleet decision will last for the next 10-15 years for 5J - and given the uncertainity around the B717 and the unpredictability of demand the A32X seems to be a better choice.

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User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3722 times:

Good point flying tigers.

Again though I have my big doubts about the B717 order. Like Flying tigers pointed out the A319 would be a better choice IF and only IF there is a future increase of Demand. Also cargo is better on this aircraft.

The main reason for them getting rid of the DC-9 is because most of them has an upcoming check of some sort not sure if its a D check.

and the DC-9's are a bit old when you step in them.

Last time I flew 5J was last December on the DVO-CBU-DVO route and the interior was truly showing its age especially the seats.

drew



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User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6153 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3709 times:

Flying-tiger....If they want to grow, why is the A319 the better choice over a 73G? I think you need to reword it that the 717 for stability, and a A319 or 73G if they look for growth.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3655 times:

If they are unhappy with the A319's capacity then why dont they order the A318.  Insane

User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3179 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3647 times:
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"If they are unhappy with the A319's capacity then why dont they order the A318"

The A319 gives them more cabin capacity, but the A318 is heavy. Given the choice, they'd go for A319- if they were unhappy with it, I think they would probably be stuck...

JBLU


User currently offlineCospn From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1621 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3546 times:

So Send them to Air Asia in Taiwan for a new Interior cheaper than a new airplane Philippines is lucky to have a good and cheap Heavy MX center Just an hour away in Tainan Taiwan...Taiwan is much smaller but has more flights than the Philippines..DC9's are the best...If they get rid of them it will be the end of Cebu Pacific Air ..the numbers dont work..

User currently offlineN751PR From Japan, joined May 2002, 1249 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3494 times:

I would love to hear 5J getting the 717 but I love flying the A319 so either way is good for me.  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3350 times:

'If it's good enough for Americans, it should be OK in the Philippines that pay less than USD 100 for a return flight'

What an arrogant thing to say.



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3281 times:
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Well hopefully Cebu will order the 717, although they have at least one DC-9 from YX that was due for a D check when YX sold it to them last year, so they should be able to get a few more years out of that one.


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User currently offlineCospn From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1621 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3173 times:

Manni,

The point is NW is Fine and happy and has been Flying DC-9's since the 60's and will for many more years to come..and have to buy Hush kits for them..

Most Pax on NW pay more than 100 RT to fly Developing contries need good low cost airtransport not going into Dept to pay off 717 A320's..

just hate to see Developing Countries wasting money sending it to Countries like the USA while they in this case take the Money an Fly the DC-9 But Thats OK with Me I'm a US Citizen..I Just go to AB) (MNL / RPLL), Philippines">MNL and see the Kids on the Street Begging while Govt And Business leaders feed their ego with SUV's and A320's

I thing buying new planes for a Developing Country is Arrogant when most people cant afford to fly then I go to the US and see DC 9's and 727-200's and DC-10's Flying Around..I Just don't get it...


User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3167 times:

The A319 gives them more cabin capacity, but the A318 is heavy. Given the choice, they'd go for A319- if they were unhappy with it, I think they would probably be stuck...


Yes but you'll be saving 7-10% fuel per flight. Maybe a mix would be better.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3086 times:

Cospn,

Easyjet, Jetblue, Jetstar and soon Virgin USA fly new A319/320 aircraft, they 're low cost too and certainly have fares for less than 100US$.

DC9's are not only very noisy and produce a lot more pollution but they also use a lot more fuel. Very ignorant indeed to still fly these aircraft, together with DC10's and 727's.

Wether the Philippines are a developed country or not has nothing to do with the purchase of aircraft made by a private company.



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User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 3021 times:

Point is why spend money on an expensive overhaul, when you can use that to pay for brand new aircrafts with little or no worries of maintenance for the first couple of years.

Expect an order soon, or not at all.

B717-200 will win order If and only If Boeing will allow swap to 737NG IF B717 production ceases.

A319 order will win if above is not met. A318 has a lot more weight and would not really be good for 5J. A319 would be a better fit. Better cargo capacity.

Why no 737NG I don't know, but last I heard the A319 was more favored than the 737NG.

drew



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User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 3006 times:

I STAND CORRECTED.

There is a BIG rumor going around at 5J that the B717 won the deal.

Airbus didn't wanna budge for less price.

the B717 will be ordered, Boeing gave a sweet deal. I guess I was mistaken with regards to swapping the aircraft, if Boeing where to cancel production.

Price was factor of purchase.

NOTE: Contract hasn't been signed yet, but B717 order is immanent.

SOURCE: Close 5J family friend.

drew



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User currently offlineN751PR From Japan, joined May 2002, 1249 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2984 times:

Bah, you spoiled the surprise, KL808.  Laugh out loud


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25 DfwRevolution : And if they order 717's, along with ATA and others, it might motivate Boeing to keep the line open, as has been discussed before. From what I here, if
26 N79969 : "DC9's are not only very noisy and produce a lot more pollution but they also use a lot more fuel. Very ignorant indeed to still fly these aircraft, t
27 KL808 : LOL N751PR come on now, wouldn't be nice to not report it to our buddies on A.net. hehehe BTW... I think this would be a NEW order, not sure if they a
28 Post contains images N751PR : LOL, the members of the forum I got the information from just wanted to have you guys guessing.
29 Cospn : Looks Like the End of 5J..Then Time for someone to Start another airline.. With MD-80's Like they are doing in Indonesia..717 Killed HA..Now they will
30 Kl808 : Why would 5J be dead with the purchase of B717? Airtran is doing well with their B717. HA's story has a lot of factors why their not doing good. 5J is
31 Cospn : We'll see.. why have a Multi Million Dollar plane when you can get one for Under 1M or less..The Problem with the Philippines is Utilization most airp
32 Manni : N79969, Airlines that got rid of those old DC10's, DC9's, 727's, and L1011's include... Singapore Airlines Cathay Pacific All Nippon Airways and many
33 Dutchjet : The 717 would be a good choice for the short segments that Cebu flies, and the 717 is a durable aircraft, with its routes dating back to the durable D
34 Post contains images Manni : Dutchjet, FYI, I'm not offended by any kind of remarks, made by a so far unknown person to me on an internet forum, about Sabena or anything else Belg
35 N79969 : Manni, Do you actually believe that any of the airlines you listed were motivated to purchase new airplanes so they can clean up the environment? The
36 Manni : Absolutely not N79969, nevertheless they do contribute to a cleaner environment. And while they are at it, they can atleast pretend they do, some nice
37 Cospn : Manni, 5J has to compete with PAL/Air Phil and Interisland ferry service for PAX... SQ Govt Owned Long Haul...they dont have to worry about Money.. CX
38 Manni : Cospn, I dont know what point your trying to make. If I'm not mistaken Cebu Air is a private company, if they feel they have reason to order new jets,
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