ArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3361 posts, RR: 16 Posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7142 times:
25 years ago today, American Airlines flight 191, a DC-10, crashed on takeoff from ORD killing 272 people. The aircraft crashed on takeoff from Chicago after the #1 engine and pylon separated from the wing during rotation. A leak in the hydraulic lines allowed the left-side slats to retract, while the right-side slats remained extended. This led to a stall on the left wing which resulted in the roll-over. This is the deadliest single plane crash in United States history.
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7060 times:
I remember that, I was young but remember it all over the media and it still remains the worst single airliner disaster in US history. That picture has to be one of the most famous in history.
Blackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1892 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6769 times:
An enormous loss for all of us. Saw it this morning on the History Channel web site. So sad.
Cameras shoot pictures. Guns shoot people. They have the guns.
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 6, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6702 times:
Actually that photo is one of a series of AA 191. The first shot I've seen was just as the aircraft finished push back from the gate, the second was just as it was turning on to the runway, the 3rd...shown above and the last was the fire ball. It had run in the Chicago Tribune and was taken by an aircraft buff that was out taking pictures as at that time, the DC-10 was still quite new.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
Av8trxx From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 657 posts, RR: 7 Reply 7, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6652 times:
God rest their souls...
Captain Walter H. Lux, F/O James R. Dillard, F/E Alfred A Udovich, their 10 flight attendants and 258 passengers. Many of the crew lived in San Diego and our Aerospace Museum remembers them with all their names on an atrium wall plaque.
The NTSB found that improper maintenance procedures on the engine and pylon was a major factor in the accident. Some airlines were removing the engine and pylon assembly as one unit, instead of seperately, stressing the pylon. After the accident, the DC-10 fleet was grounded and over a dozen other a/c (some at Continental & Western) were found to have cracks in their pylons from the servicing technique too. Scary to think it this accident could have happened more than once!
Texdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1266 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6450 times:
I was 10 at the time, but one thing that I distinctly remember is that those DC-10's had a projector screen that the pilots turned on during takeoff and landings so that the passengers could see the cockpit.
So those poor souls probably saw the pilots trying desperately to save the aircraft, to no avail.
I later flew on a AA DC-10 from Montreal to ORD in 1981 and they still showed those cockpit shots at landing!!
Of course, no airline shows those kind of cockpit shots any more!!
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 10, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6375 times:
That special will be on The History Channel on Thursday 27 May at 8:00pm EST. Looks like the show will run 1 1/2 hours, then right after it will be a show on accident investigation called 'Broken Wings'
As for the series of photos I mentioned, I recall seeing them in a copy of the Chicago Tribune that my relatives sent us right after the accident. Maybe 26th-27th May 1979. If I remember the story... The photographer was an avid aviation buff and was out at ORD trying out his new camera. While shooting pictures the shiny 'new' AA DC-10 at the gate caught his eye and he started taking pictures. Little did he know what would soon transpire before him.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
Smcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6336 times:
My condolences go out to the familys of the victims of this terrible accident 25 years ago. Especially to all my fellow A.NETTERS who lost family and friends.
Hey Obama, keep the change! I want my dollar back.
Atrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5613 posts, RR: 54 Reply 12, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6236 times:
IF I recall, that at the time WAS the most dangerous single accident, however the companys airbus flight out of JFK became the new single most dangerous as over 268 died. But anywas..
May god rest there souls and im sure it had to eb awful to watch them fight to save the plane.
Alex
Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
Smcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6196 times:
God rest their souls...
Captain Walter H. Lux, F/O James R. Dillard, F/E Alfred A Udovich, their 10 flight attendants and 258 passengers.
however the companys airbus flight out of JFK became the new single most dangerous as over 268 died.
In the first part I count 271. 258+10+3.
Hey Obama, keep the change! I want my dollar back.
Cx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6140 times:
Sorry, but how can you still can AA a safe airline based on all these accidents. I mean look at CX, BA and QF. What major accidents do they have (Not bomb from terriorst etc...) that killed everyone on board?
I know AA have maybe 100 times more flights than CX, but I mean judging from history, it should only be graded B for safety and not A
Canoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2657 posts, RR: 12 Reply 17, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5906 times:
I know AA have maybe 100 times more flights than CX, but I mean judging from history, it should only be graded B for safety and not A
I think you should rethink your reasoning, AA's accident rate statistically is lower than CX.
Cx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5857 times:
Yes Canoecarrier, you are right, that is just what I said (because they operate more flights) BUt I mean that is no reason for them to have everyone killed on its flights.
I mean sometimes you shouldn't judge by pure statistics. CX never had a plane down before (Except the terrorist bomb, which they can't control)
I never feel safe flying with AA (esp in those ancient MD80 and Fokker)
Canoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2657 posts, RR: 12 Reply 19, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5827 times:
First of all, I'd never seen that picture before. Amazing he was able to even take it, I'd be in shutter shock.
Cx123: The thing about statistics is they don't lie. Those for AA include MQ. I would fly AA any day, to just say "I never feel safe flying with AA" is more an emotional response rather than a rational response.
Canoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2657 posts, RR: 12 Reply 21, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5683 times:
As someone that has been very close to an aviation disaster, I think I should say you might just be a little more caring than "AA killed more people than QX, BA, and QF" AA does have more fatalities than CX, BA, and QF. However, the statistics more than suggest that flying on AA is very safe, and that they get you there with fewer accidents than CX/1million flights.
To say that AA is an inherently dangerous airline to fly is a very emotional response. I would look at the picture on this thread, go to the airport and check in for a flight with complete confidence I'd arrive safely at my destination.
Corpsnerd09 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 448 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5614 times:
You also gotta consider the # of crashes to the # of flights.
Let's say that in a one year span.
Airline A had 1,000 flights, and airline B had 1,000,000.
In that same span, Airline A had 10 crashes, while Airline B had 50.
Now... which airline would you fly?
If you really want to do it, you will find a way; if you don't, you'll make excuses.
RA-85154 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2001, 618 posts, RR: 3 Reply 23, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5601 times:
These are very impressive pictures indeed, makes you think what these people must have went trough in these last moments. More chilling indeed is the fact hey saw themselves crash via the flightdeck videocamera
Cx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5447 times:
What do you mean by "More chilling indeed is the fact hey saw themselves crash via the flightdeck videocamera "
What flight deck Camera are you referring to? I thought they only start to have these cameras on the 744 (eg. NH)
25 Warren747sp: They had the inflight camera on their DC-10 Luxry Liners. It is not exclusive to the 744 and have long been installed on airliners.
26 RA-85154: Cx123: Like Texdravid wrote: " I was 10 at the time, but one thing that I distinctly remember is that those DC-10's had a projector screen that the pi
27 Clrd2go: Yes, at the time AA had such cameras and passengers could view takeoff/landing. They were featured in their TV ads as I recall. Jim
28 Fallout01: Hello Everyone! I just joined today, and I thought I'd kick in a few comments. I have very, very vivid memories of that terrible day: my best friend a
29 Fallout01: My bad...PSA182 was in November of '78. I typed "May" by mistake. Regards.
30 BusinessBoy: Deepest Sympathy For The People Who Died BusinessBoy
31 Fallout01: Clrd2go: I remember those commercials too. In the one ad I remember, a father turns to his son and remarks "I could do that!" after watching the fligh
32 LMML 14/32: Yes, at the time AA had such cameras and passengers could view takeoff/landing. I am not sure it was direct TV at that time 25 years ago. There's a ve
33 Milesrich: The camera on the AA DC-10 was in the nose gear area. It was a black and white camera, and it was live. This is not hearsay, I flew on many AA Ten's a
34 747srule: Because of this,AA took off "DC-10 Luxury Liner" from the nose of the plane. They didn't want bad publicity.
35 N9801F: 747srule, I don't believe that's the case. When I flew AA DC-10 in 1982 (3 years after 191) the camera was still in use... And I see some sloppy use o
36 Jerry911: "The camera on the AA DC-10 was in the nose gear area." Well, I *am* old (only 56, but most likely older than y'all), and I did fly on AA's DC-10s bac
37 Cjuniel: I know I am late but I had to comment on CX123's remarks....TOTALLY IGNORANT. You would base an airlines ENTIRE safety record on a few incidents? The
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