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User currently offlinePizzaandplanes From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 5 months 23 hours ago) and read 4044 times:

How do you get permission to go on the ramp? Is there someone you have to ask at the airport? Does it cost money?

I am asking these questions because I would love to go on the ramp and I am not working for the airport, police, or faa.

Thanks guys,
pizzaandplanes

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User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 23 hours ago) and read 4021 times:

Get a job at an airline working the ramp.

Other than that, you pretty much need a friend at the Airport Authority.



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User currently offlineWorldoftui From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 23 hours ago) and read 4011 times:

I believe SYD is the only airport in the world that runs tours of the ramp. Well , the only seriously sized commercial airport.


Mark


User currently offlineCaptain_777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 295 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 23 hours ago) and read 3987 times:

I'd love to be able to get on the ramp. I've thought about trying to get a job for the summer over at MHT. But it sounds as if I won't be home enough.

UA777Pilot -- Do you have any recommendations on where to spot at MHT? I can't find an area where the police don't hassle.


User currently offlineAirPortugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3657 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 23 hours ago) and read 3975 times:

When I interviewed for an airline at Logan I requested to see their operations out on the ramp. They said no way. So there you go. Luckily I got hired so now I work at the best place ever and watch planes all day. Just my kind of thing  Smile  Smile  Smile

Latah



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User currently offlineTheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1130 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 23 hours ago) and read 3968 times:

If you know someone that works at the airport, they MAY be able to escort you onto the ramp (I stress may because the rules seem to be different at each airport). However, I wouldn't expect anyone to be willing to do much escorting after 9/11. Someone doesn't like it, it could, at the least, cost them their job. There are just too many ways for it to be seen as a security issue (and rightly so).

So, in all honesty, if you don't work at the airport, its probably not going to happen.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

GreatChecko



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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 23 hours ago) and read 3943 times:
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Referance being escorted on the ramp - NOT

Since 9/11 even the escorted people have to have been given Federal Clearance. We have had mothers fired for sneeking their kids on the property when they could not get a babysitter.



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User currently offlineTheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1130 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 3902 times:

M404,

Its different at each airport and like I said since 9/11 its a completely different story. I clearly recall and have read many times over of having escort rights when I worked at an airport, I had them myself! Now getting through security is a different story, so I never tried.

Yes, I would imagine I would need some type of permission to get through the TSA, but whats to say that if the person made it through security that you couldnt take them onto the ramp if the rules said you could.

GreatChecko



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 3871 times:

As far as 'getting on the ramp' as said above...Nope. Unless you work for an airline, the airport or some other business that allows you access to the ramps you have no business being there. Back a few years ago when I was with an airline and did over night road trips many times it would be a major pain in the a** getting on the ramp to fix our broken airplane.,,,,,and we where in uniform, driving a marked company truck and wore company/and local airport Id's.....and they knew we where coming..!!

Captain 777...Sorry to say, MHT was one of the airports that always gave us a hard time, so I can only guess its got worse after 9/11.



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User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 3866 times:

at JFK, LGA, EWR you have to work for a company or agency that allows you to have ramp access. at smaller airports its also fairly hard to get access nowadays. i can escort non-badged persons on at LGA but they have to be either pax on my airline or there on a company purpose.


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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 3822 times:
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Make a friend who works at an airport. Most airports dont care if youre out there, as long as youre with an badged employee.


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User currently offlineWjv04 From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 584 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 3809 times:

Airtran 737, what world are you living in?
Seriously I work up in canada on the ramp, and were not even allowed to have guests on the ramp. I couldnt imagine what kinds of security hassels airport employies have to go through in larger US citys.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 3789 times:

You.

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User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 3778 times:

You CAN NOT, I repeat CAN NOT at any time ever for any reason go on the ramp without possessing a S.I.D.A Card. NEVER without a S.I.D.A. Card. Before 9/11 at smaller airports you were allowed to be escorted by someone, as long as you kept within 5 feet of them at all times. But now, not gonna happen. This is STRICTLY enforced. If your approached by someone while your on the ramp, and you don't possess a valid S.I.D.A. card, you'll be arrested. Smile

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 3761 times:

Well you can, once. Big grin


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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 3701 times:
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TheGreatChecko

As you said all airports are different (but not supposed to be as it's a Federal rule)

When we get a call from the airport security office that a contractor (previously cleared by the Feds via the airport authority to be escorted by badged employee) I am the one that often is called to do the escort duty. I have to be with the person at all times to ensure their cleared access area is the only part they go to. I have to use my badge to clear them.

So it would seem that you may have answered the question yourself.

If you already have gotten yourself cleared by the airport authority and have passed the Federal guidelines that they are supposed to follow and if they deem it worthwhile and in their interest to have you on the property then they would have to find someome who had the time and was willing to escort you.

What I was saying is they if one of those steps was missing you have violated a federal rules at a US federally controlled airport and that whomever is with you can be prosecuted and or fired and you can both spend time as a guest of the Federal/state/county/city enforcement officials.

So yes, of course you can have access top the ramp. But understand, at our own airport, not even the press is allowed on the ramp unless invited by those authorities for a reason that they wanted - not the press.



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User currently offlineAC_B777 From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 809 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 3681 times:

I brought a couple of my friends out on the ramp in YYT once, but that was pre 9/11 and I needed to get special security passes for them that required an escort with a full pass (myself).
However, the Commissionairs at YYT told me recently (last summer) that I could still take a friend(s) airside as long as I had my full clearance pass and a temporary escort required pass for them.
YYT is a smaller airport, but I can't figure out why regulations would be any different there than at another Canadian airport. U.S. airports would have different regs obviously.



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 3588 times:
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Think about how many people are on the ramp that don't have a S.I.D.A. badge. Here in MKE we escort our ice vendor while he drives in (without a security check), and anyone else who may need to make a delivery that wouldn't have access to the S.I.D.A. people bring their kids to work so that they cans see what goes on. Airports don't really care if you bring someone onto the ramp, they use the philosophy that the employee has passed their ten year background check, and that they wouldn't bring the Taliban onto the ramp. I myself have brought my little brothers out on the ramp for a tug ride so that they can see an airplane up close. It's no big deal.


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User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 3572 times:

Another way is to be a GA pilot and park your aircraft the closest to the main apron as you can.
Here at CMF we park at the GA apron (lower right hand side in the pics), as you can see it is quite near the main taxiway for runway 36/18.

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Therefore on busy winter WE days we can be on the other side of the fence, so to speak, giving us pics like these :

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At the same time we take this opportunity to shoot whtever is at the GA ramp, sometimes there ere bizjets and if you're really lucky you can get a cockpit/cabin photo opportunity  Big thumbs up

I don't know if you can land a GA aircraft in your local though.

UTA



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User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 8 hours ago) and read 3414 times:

AirTran737:

What are you smoking man??? I, too worked at a "Small" airport just last year. A guy who brought his kids onto the ramp for "Bring your daughter to Work Day" got in trouble when the station manager got bitched out by the TSA when they found out. He didn't get reprimanded, just told "You probably should not do that again."

If you have people giving "Tug rides" to kids, you should have your S.I.D.A. yanked, bud. This isn't a theme park. If they want to see an airplane up close....go to a GA airport.


User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 3346 times:

Wow! There is so much wrong informatino on this thread it's not even funny.

Mike


User currently offlinePizzaandplanes From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 3306 times:

How do you get this badge? Does it work at all airports?

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 3299 times:

How do you get this badge? Does it work at all airports

1... get a job with an airline that requires you to be on the ramp.
2... No..only at the airport where it was issued

[Edited 2004-05-26 22:09:35]


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User currently offlinePizzaandplanes From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 3282 times:

Thanks EMBQA. They should let reguliar people on the ramp though. But what you gonna do?  Sad


User currently offlineNonRevKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 3260 times:

Mikephotos:

Whoa, great minds think alike buddy!

You CAN NOT, I repeat CAN NOT at any time ever for any reason go on the ramp without possessing a S.I.D.A Card. NEVER without a S.I.D.A. Card. Before 9/11 at smaller airports you were allowed to be escorted by someone, as long as you kept within 5 feet of them at all times. But now, not gonna happen. This is STRICTLY enforced. If your approached by someone while your on the ramp, and you don't possess a valid S.I.D.A. card, you'll be arrested.

This one I found particularly hilarious. You speak from what experience, chief? Am I to believe that Southwest ramp rats now have the power to arrest people? lol!

Truth is, some airports allow escorting. I've escorted photographers myself after 9/11 in TPA and ATL. I've been escorted in MCO, SLC, ORD and a major airport in the Northeast US. If you just do your homework, talk to the right people and find out what your airports regulations are, it's not a big deal.

B

[Edited 2004-05-26 23:02:57]

25 EMBQA : Pizzaandplanes- They should let regular people on the ramp though. But what you gonna do? I disagree 100%. If you are not employed by an airline, or h
26 KaiGywer : This one I found particularly hilarious. You speak from what experience, chief? Am I to believe that Southwest ramp rats now have the power to arrest
27 Pilotpip : Every airport is different as stated. For most larger airports, you're not getting anywhere near the ramp unless you have a job, and even then you may
28 NonRevKing : I guess you don't know what you're talking about either, as we are required to call the police right away if we come upon someone without a badge. THE
29 KaiGywer : NonRevKing, OK. Now we are agreeing here. MSP allows escorts "while performing official duties" only. So, if you are training, you can be escorted by
30 AirTRan737 : God these threads are funny. I love all of the armchair airline employees who think that they have a grasp on the current security measures.
31 TZSFO : Now come on guys...."on official business"??? I think that is pretty much up to the badgeholder to determine now isn't it? That makes escorting someon
32 AirframeAS : We have had mothers fired for sneeking their kids on the property when they could not get a babysitter. They deserve to be fired. This is a safety iss
33 Barney Captain : "..anybody without a badge must be escorted at all times when on the field." Hmmmmm.....I walk around on the ramp all the time at ALL of our 60 airpor
34 Greasespot : Most airports in Canada have a red restricted area pass that employees or people who have to have access to areas inside the fence. This does not auto
35 Post contains images Mikephotos : ...dangerous the ramp is, you CAN get still get killed out there regardless. you could get killed walking down a sidewalk in your town. yes, the ramp
36 KaiGywer : Barney Captain, I'm guessing you are flight crew, which means you have an airline badge. This gives you access within "the shadow of your own plane".
37 Post contains images Dazed767 : How do you get permission to go on the ramp? Is there someone you have to ask at the airport? Does it cost money? One way to get on the ramp, if a sma
38 Goose : They should let reguliar people on the ramp though. But what you gonna do? Hell no. As a ramp lead, the last thing I would want is someone not on my
39 Greasespot : There also does not need to be a reason to use the Yellow escort required passes...I can pull one out of my desk and hand it to anyone (you know what
40 AirframeAS : ...dangerous the ramp is, you CAN get still get killed out there regardless. you could get killed walking down a sidewalk in your town. yes, the ramp
41 UAL747DEN : I know it is different wherever you go but I will tell you that it is VERY HARD to get out there. An example of that is when a new employee is hired a
42 Post contains images Asuflyer05 : Theoretically you could get someone to take you past security and down on the ramp. However they would only be able to do it once. Matt
43 Swatpamike : People be real. Any ramp rat, regardless of the station, can tell you that they see friends and family of employees on the ramp checking things out a
44 Post contains images Goose : Sorry for making it sound bad, but its the truth and this is REALITY!!! People have actually died out on the ramp in the past while on duty. Ramp area
45 Pilot727aa : All you need to do is get someone from the airport authority to get you on the ramp.. taxiways.. end of runways. I was at JFK and was given a tour we
46 Sfoff : "People be real. Any ramp rat, regardless of the station, can tell you that they see friends and family of employees on the ramp checking things out a
47 Post contains links and images USAFHummer : "Another way is to be a GA pilot and park your aircraft the closest to the main apron as you can." This works...myself and another a.netter did this a
48 AirframeAS : Goose, I agree with you on the teamwork approach. In TPA I have seen moms, dads, sisters, brothers and kids out on the ramp, with an employee escort,
49 Paulinbna : May be some airports have different rules.....If they can't get the fact that it is not illegal to take pictures at airports Some allow (even encourge
50 Sammyhostie : Goose, "As a ramp lead, the last thing I would want is someone not on my crew hanging out around my airplane..... and especially not someone who hasn'
51 Post contains images INNflight : Access for local photographers is not a big thing at INN
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