Ultraviolet From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 10 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5716 times:
Thomas Cook, the Lufthansa tourism subsidiary wants to start low-frills longhaul flights very soon. They're planning to use the brand "Condor" which was used for Thomas Cook Airlines before.
Following German press Condor wants to fly inside Europe starting at 29 Euro to holiday destinations - but as well fly transatlantic and to Africa starting at 99 Euro.
AFAIK this would be the first no-frills airline flying longhaul...
BestWestern From Ireland, joined Sep 2000, 6510 posts, RR: 58 Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5565 times:
Just what we need - another low cost german airline.
Long Haul low cost wont work, as current economy fares are already subsidized by premium cabin passengers. Consider how much taxes alone are to the US.
GodBless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2751 posts, RR: 17 Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5537 times:
Well they don't plan that, they have already launched their new website where they promote "shorthauls" (even including destinations such as SHJ!) for as little as 29EUR and longhaul flights starting at 99EUR.
I myself did not see any flights for 29EUR nor for 99EUR though. http://www2.condor.com/tcf/us/index.jsp
Graham697 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 350 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5505 times:
I hope with the new low fare service, there 767s will grace the skys of TPA again. This time if they advertise maybe they can conjur up some local o&d traffic.
TriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4685 posts, RR: 47 Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5453 times:
It is very nice and wonderful if you sell tickets at low-cost levels, but as long as the production costs of Condor remain as high as they are and losses mount up, they are still going to be shut down by their owners eventually. Like Mr. Teckentrup demanded: "Wages down 30 percent, productivity up 15%". Or was it the other way around?
Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
TriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4685 posts, RR: 47 Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5224 times:
There never was "Thomas Cook Airlines" in Germany. Flights were always operated by Condor under the Thomas Koch brand.
The slogan "Thomas Koch powered by Condor" will always be remembered as one of the worst marketing blunders in German commercial aviation. And rightfully so!
Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
Ts-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3306 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5166 times:
Flughafen Koln-Bonn (CGN) will certainely attract these flights as it is said to be a LCC hub for many airlines including the expected North- American one which intends to start low-cost transatlantic flights by 2005...
What i really hope is to see DE returning to Tunisian airports...they are a big mess !!!
Ramerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4324 times:
This sounds like what MidwestExpress did. They have A/C with signature service and then saver service. Condor will be taking away from LH if they don't make certain cities only Condor. Midwest Express isn't doing so well last time I checked.
SR
Richardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3712 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4213 times:
Most cheap fares on Long Haul require a saturday night stay, which are no good for the business traveller, that is where a no frills service would be popular if it offerred fares without such restrictions.
L1011aaron From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 139 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3828 times:
They will have direct competition on the long haul side. Back packers xpress is planning to start up offering services from Munich to Goa, Australia, Africa, India, Thailand and some others with a 742. This will be no frill service too.
Blueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2533 posts, RR: 24 Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3360 times:
Have to side with Crosswind on this one....too many F/J fares subsidising very low economy fares at the moment.....would need to be considerably cheaper to make a success of 29" pitch, no meals, no free IFE and no free beverages...and german charter config. is traditionally more generous than other european states, so there's another dilution of the profit potential.
Shamu
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Blueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2533 posts, RR: 24 Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3259 times:
Thinking about this one still.........perhaps TC and Condor have finally found a potentially profitable niche for their 753s....... c. 250 seats, roughly 31" pitch, IFE, alcohol and hot meals pay-on-demand............ remember how well (and profitably) the charter carriers World, TransAm, Worldways etc used the super -8s for donkey's years ....?
Shamu
So I drive a 4x4. So what?! Tax the a$$ off me for it...oh, you already have... :-(
Snnams From Ireland, joined Apr 2004, 288 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3190 times:
There is absolutely no point in cannabalising your mainline operation by creating a low cost offshoot. Get your main airlines cost's down and offer low fares to all. That is what the vast majority of travellers want and it is the airlines that have realised this eg EI, KL etc that are prospering.
25 HZ747300: Wasn't there supposed to be a startup called Backpacker Express? I recall reading that in Airliner World. It would seem hard to be profitable for long
26 LTBEWR: Mmmmmm, seems like back to the future for LH. Didn't Condor (and LTU) used to be a charter subsidaries of LH at one time? Sound like one-class cattle
27 Sydscott: "There is absolutely no point in cannabalising your mainline operation by creating a low cost offshoot. Get your main airlines cost's down and offer
28 Aa757first: AFAIK this would be the first no-frills airline flying longhaul... PEOPLExpress? AAndrew
29 A330Fan1: I don't understand how the airline plans to operate - sounds too good to be true, I mean. Flying such a distance for 99 bucks? How does long-haul, no-
30 MUCFLYER: Hi just to clarify... Condor doesn't want to sell all 269 seats on a longhaul B767-300 for 99,-€. They mentioned a minimum low fare capacity on each
31 FraT: "Mmmmmm, seems like back to the future for LH. Didn't Condor (and LTU) used to be a charter subsidaries of LH at one time?" Thomas Cook, the company t
32 Snnams: Sydscott, You may have a point about none of the legacy carriers having made it work. In the case of Asia/Australia though it is a bit early in the ga
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