AirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 548 posts, RR: 10 Posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3153 times:
I just thought I'd bring up something about F9 to keep us "up to date" in the discussion forum. Though I can't provide specific information, I thought I'd let everyone know that our L.A. loads for the summer are looking great.
If you'd like to post anything about F9, feel free to do so. Questions, comments? I know that Mariner and MSYTristar know a lot about F9.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 50 Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3066 times:
Hey Travis, have fun in LAX man. Things are a little different over there then they are down here in terms of F9 activity (well, a lot different actually), but trust me, the "spirit" is the same.
BTW, in case you haven't seen her yet in person, be on the lookout for aircraft 927. She flew in here today and man is she ever a beauty. "Flip" looks right at home on her tail. She still has that "new plane smell"....ah, you just can't beat it.
Nosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3001 times:
Awesome news, it looks like TED and F9 will be able to coexist. Not that they wern't going to. As F9 is doing expansions away from DEN, and TED is utilizing all the UA outposts(ORD, IAD, DEN, SFO-to an extent, and LAX- also to an extent).
StevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2989 times:
I didn't quite believe him at first, but I now believe 'Mariner' is very correct in stating that UA and F9 need one another at DEN...the fact that F9's loads are high and strong for the summer, and that TED has so far exceeded expectations of the constantly negative UA-hater analysts in terms of load factor, support his argument.
I would look for TED to continue expanding, though hopefully based on intelligent planning. I believe that TED will eventually dominate IAD once Independence Air flushes itself down the toilet.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 50 Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2935 times:
DEN-MSY just switched over to an A319 again. It will remain this way until July 1st, when we see the return of the 737-300 through late August. Then, looks like the 319 again. We sure do get the whole rotation of aircraft down here that's for sure!
Frntman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 209 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2781 times:
How are LAX-PHL and PHL-LAX doing (without disclosing numbers, of course)... light? heavy? as expected?
I'd say the loads are doing better than expected. Having been in PHL for the opening for the past week, the reception from the airport was absolutely great! Other airlines were also stopping by the ticket counter and the gate wishing us the best of luck.
UAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2332 posts, RR: 11 Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2683 times:
It is amazing to me how successful FRONTIER is. It seems like every city they open up does well and everyone is happy to see them come in. The service is great, you can tell that all of the employees are happy to be there and enjoy their job. In a time where airlines are not doing great its good to see one like F9 making good decisions and being successful.
On a side note, I used to think that F9 and B6 would do great if they were to merge, however now I don't think so. B6 is growing way to fast and with their aircraft orders is expecting to speed up even faster! I don't think that works very well with the way F9 does business. I expect F9 to open a "focus city" in the east within the next 6 months. This will open up the Caribbean for F9 service and after that I believe we will see Hawaii on the F9 route map..
TxAgKuwait From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1803 posts, RR: 45 Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2684 times:
I think it's great that loads are looking good.
But let's get real for just a moment.
Is Frontier making any money?
>>Frontier on course for $5.4M loss
High fuel prices, weak sales could end profitable string
By David Kesmodel, Rocky Mountain News
May 27, 2004
Frontier Airlines is expected today to end a string of three profitable quarters by posting a loss that one analyst said might top $5 million and disappoint Wall Street.
Citing high fuel prices and weaker-than-expected sales, analysts on average have been projecting a net loss of about $1 million, or 3 cents a share, for the three months ended March 31.
J.P. Morgan analyst Jamie Baker said Wednesday he expects Frontier to record a net loss of $5.4 million after reviewing financial results the Denver- based discounter filed recently with the U.S. Department of Transportation.
In the filing, dated May 12, Frontier said its net loss in its fiscal fourth quarter was $5.4 million, or about 14 cents a share.
Baker said "Form 41" Transportation Department filings can differ from results reported under generally accepted accounting principles, or GAAP, by excluding one- time gains or charges. But he said he didn't expect any one-time items in the results Frontier will post today.
"We believe Frontier's net loss will reach $5.4 million," he said in a report to investors.
Frontier's filings with the Transportation Department have matched results reported under GAAP in seven of the previous eight quarters, he said.
Frontier spokesman Joe Hodas stressed that the numbers submitted to the Transportation Department are "preliminary and unaudited." He wouldn't comment further.
Baker had been projecting that Frontier would break even in the January-March quarter.
A year earlier, the airline recorded a company-record loss of $13 million as it suffered from Denver's worst blizzard in years.
A loss in the latest period would be the fifth in the past nine quarters for Frontier, which ranks second after UAL Corp.'s United Airlines in the number of passengers served at Denver International Airport.
"For a low-cost carrier, Frontier's grasp on profits is elusive at best," Baker said in his report.
Baker said Frontier's results since 2002 compare favorably with those of big hub carriers such as American. But other discounters have done better, with AirTran reporting only one quarterly loss since the beginning of 2002 and JetBlue and Southwest reporting none, he said.
"In the post-9/11 revenue environment, Frontier therefore appears capable of profit only when oil prices are low and/or UAL mismanagement is high," he said.
His comments followed a negative report Friday by Raymond James & Associates analyst Jim Parker.
Parker, who owns Frontier shares, cut his earnings estimates for each quarter of fiscal 2005, which began April 1. For the April-June quarter, he cut projected profits to 5 cents a share from 11 cents.
He said he made the cuts primarily because of the recent rise in crude oil prices to about $41 a barrel. Frontier hedged only 7 percent of its fuel needs for the first six months of 2004.
In addition to high fuel prices, analysts are concerned about Frontier's tough pricing competition and the possibility that United's new budget carrier, Ted, will wrest cost-conscious fliers from Frontier at DIA.
Frontier shares fell 10 cents, or 1 percent, to $9.55, Wednesday and are down 33 percent this year <<
Ultimately the real test s not whether or not tha planes have lots of people on them, but whether or not, at the end of the financial reporting period, there is black (rather than red) ink.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6347 posts, RR: 50 Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2619 times:
Well, we had a profitable fiscal year, something that not many airlines can say at this point. If the price of jet fuel ever becomes more resonable (and honestly I have no idea if this will happen in the short term) you can expect our earnings to go through the roof. We have a good marketing strategy in place, new fuel efficient aircraft, a low cost structure, and an expansive route system. And above all else, we treat passengers well.
This Fall will bring several schedule enhancements and some capacity adjustments to several routes in the network.
Overall, it's an exciting time to be with the company.
AirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 548 posts, RR: 10 Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2567 times:
I agree. This is definitely an exciting time to be with the company. In fact, it's so exciting that I'm busy reading about F9 on here rather than preparing for my final exams this week!
I'm actually planning to transfer to inflight ops to be an F/A.....and no, F9 has not publicly posted any F/A openings yet. Fortunately for me, internal transfers get to apply first! Yay!!!
F9 truly does embody teamwork though. Even with adding 39 employees to our LAX station within the last three months, our station is operating smoothly and we're all working hard. We never forget we're all on the same team...now THAT'S how an airline should run!
AirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 548 posts, RR: 10 Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2547 times:
Joey Ramone (UAL777contrail) -
Your remarks are not very kind....
And no, I'm not smoking something. Believe me, if I ever "come off that high," I will quit my job and save my co-workers and passengers the misery. Maybe you should consider doing that yourself....to speculate as to whether or not I'm high. Is there anything wrong with my liking the industry so much? Please do not ever respond to my posts with such negativity. You are wasting your time.
It is unnecessary. If you're jealous about how F9 employees can have a blast, then maybe you need to look for a new job. UA is going through hard times, and no doubt, many of their employees are quite disgruntled. But don't take it out on us. As far as Mariner mentioning UA's loss, it was in response to someone who commented about our loss during our weakest financial quarter. His point in mentioning UA's performance (obviously the two airlines are of different sizes) was to show that even after a fourth quarter loss, we were still profitable.
And by the way, I'm 21, still young, love airlines, and love working for my company. Try not to be so upset over the fortunes of others. It's immature, uncalled for, and unnecessary. Remember, we are all in the same industry and there's no reason for bitterness or harsh words.
"You guys aren't as big as us, and you never will be"
How do you know? Statements like this are purely assumptions and are not facts, unlike financial reports. Once again, please, let's not be so childish. You can't deny UA's performance, and neither can we. But hey, that's how the cookie crumbles. Some companies do well, others don't. Then when you least expect it, things switch.
"United will Stand,uniTED WILL THRIVE,United will Conquer!!!"
This was from your profile. I hope UA survives too. It's an airline I grew up with. But remember, before you bash happy employees at an airline that's doing well, take a look at your company AND the morale of ITS employees before you attck others.
For the record, I have never bashed UA or any other airline. I have been very respectful on this site and I expect the same in return. This is not a forum for WARS, it is a forum for those who share something in COMMON!!!! - Airlines and airliners.
P.S. F9 almost always has openings. If you ever have a change of heart or are in need of a job, you know where to look. This is not to be sarcastic, I am being sincere and honest. Communicating through writing can be deceptive, so please do not take my suggestion the wrong way. Good day.
AirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 548 posts, RR: 10 Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2491 times:
Good point L-188.
Frontier Airlines and Frontier Flying Service.... What would be a good way for people to distinguish the two? If I didn't know anything about airlines or planes, I would be really confused too. After all, I'd only remember "Frontier." I'd wonder what the difference between 'flying service' and 'airlines' is.
Ual777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2417 times:
Mylanta, you read way into that last thread. I didn't realize you were so sensitive. I apologize for ruffling your wings. I don't want a job with F9, nor will I ever, they aren't a big airline like UAL. If UAL was to go under(it wont) I don't want to work in the industry any more, it isn't worth it. I have 9 years going on 10 real soon, and I wouldn't want to work for any other carrier than UAL, and just so you know, everyone feels the way you do when they first start off so it isn't new. I make wonderful money, excellent benefits, and my job is fun, so no I don't want a job with F9. I work CS for UAL and you get tired of the idiots and people who just have no clue how to travel by air. So your praises of such a fun and exciting job are felt on both sides, I just don't wear it on my sleeve. So don't take offense to what I said, I really was only making a joke.
you guys aren't as big and never will be.
be honest with yourself, you actually think F9 will be the second largest airline in the world? Bigger than WN in the LCC market? NAW.
I know how mariner says F9 and UAL can co-exist and such in the DEN market. YES They can, I don't like F9 and the way they whine, Mariner says they don't but they do, and since I work for the rival I don't have sympathy, we aren't on the same team just in the same league or division. When COS gets diversions you always see F9 wandering around the tarmac looking for someone to work them, it is quit amusing. Explain why they got rid of HP working their diversions?
Good luck, and happy days.
UAL 777 CONTRAIL
25 Mariner: UAL777CONTRAIL: "be honest with yourself, you actually think F9 will be the second biggest airline in the world?" I don't. I don't want it to be the s
26 AirMatt: Any news on the DEN-ONT loads? Might they be able to upgrade to mainline service?
27 Jetmek319: UAL777CONTRAIL: You don't even want to start a discussion on airlines "whining" if you work for UAL. F9 will never be the 2nd largest airline in the w
28 Gigneil: When COS gets diversions you always see F9 wandering around the tarmac looking for someone to work them, it is quit amusing. That's a very sadly unpr
29 Alphascan: As I understand the F9 A320 vs 319/318 strategy, 320s won't be needed until frequencies are built up between large traffic centers. Considering freque
30 MSYtristar: UAL777CONTRAIL wrote: "I work CS for UAL and you get tired of the idiots and people who just have no clue how to travel by air." Time for a job change
31 N901FRWOLF: -quote- AIRPLANEBOY, Mylanta, you read way into that last thread. I didn't realize you were so sensitive. I apologize for ruffling your wings. I don't
32 Quickmover: "In their new contract with Airbus, for 15 x A319, Frontier has the ability to convert all or any of those aircraft to A320." Does anyone know how muc
33 L-188: Just to show that I wasn't making that story about the Frontier vs. Frontier confusion in the last Frontier, here is the story. http://www.ktuu.com/ar
34 7E72004: How has The IND-DEN service been doing? Anyone know of any #s??
35 DLKAPA: Sure looks like Frontier is doing bad to me UA777Contrail, http://www.frontierairlines.com/news/articleDisplay.asp?article=/general/2004/pr_05272004.n
36 Mariner: L-188: Perhaps Frontier Airlines should start a code share with Frontier Flying Service for intra-Alaska flights. It would be a fun headline: "Frontie
37 MSYtristar: IND-DEN is a solid route for F9. The route will be staying at two daily 733's for the near future. Look for changes on SEVERAL routes in mid August. T
38 Mariner: MSYTristar: You've been very upbeat abut the Fall schedule for a few days now, Steve. I'm assuming you're going to be a bit busier this winter than yo
39 MSYtristar: Mariner, well, I can't say i'll be busier...yet. There will be an August 15th schedule change followed by one in September or early October. Most like
40 Frntman: The proposed August schedule change won't be finalized until probably June 15th or so. As for this change, look for frequencies to be increased in cer
41 Mariner: MSYtristar: You and I have both mentioned a route that would keep you a bit busy, but there's some paperwork that would have to be done for that, and
42 MSYtristar: Mariner, I think the route you are referring to will happen sooner or later. If I was a betting man, I'd say it would happen this year; alas, I am not
43 COfaninBOS: I was happy to see in the latest OAG that service to IAH is up to 3 times daily, with one 319, one 733, and one 318. That's a big improvement over the
44 UAL-Fan: I flew Frontier today, it was a great flight. The PTV's are really nice. One interesting thing I learned was that the flights to ANC will only be sold
45 Frntman: mariner- I too listened to the same conference call and don't expect any new cities coming in FY 05. The "paperwork flights" will probably happen from
46 Liquid: AirplaneBoy- Did I miss something? UAL777contrail has not posted before you in this thread so why did you start yelling. If you brought it from a diff
47 Gigneil: Unless Frontier chose a very, very, very low MTOW for their 319s, there's no reason they can't make it will both full pax AND cargo. UA operates the r
48 Mariner: Frntman: Glad you got the "paperwork cities" clue - I thought maybe I was being too subtle. AUS/CUN - terrific. BNA/CUN - sounds good, and it was in t
49 Frntman: mariner- I agree that MSY-CUN would work and for all we know it could be on the grand list of frequency increases. I would more than ecstatic if this
50 LoneStarMike: Since this thread is about Frontier's load factors, I thought I'd throw out these numbers from the Consumer Airfare Report regarding traffic and fares
51 AirplaneBoy: Liquid- Apparently his post was deleted. I do not discuss items from other threads in other threads. May I add, this was a thread that I started, and
52 Squirrel83: I went to spokane this weekend and Noticed that frontier flys there is this frontier or frontier express?
53 AirplaneBoy: Hey Squirrel, It is currently operated by our JetExpress arm (by Horizon). We have a twice daily frequency at present. Travis/LAX
54 Alphascan: Love the numbers Mike. Thanks for your effort. MORE MORE MORE
55 Mariner: AirplaneBoy: We're all being a bit coy. I don't work for Frontier so I don't know any actual plans. Both MSYtristar and Frntman do work for Frontier,
56 Ual777contrail: airplanboy, You people don't like it when someone questions you? I didn't get a post deleted, never got the fun email from a mod. N901FRWOLF, LACKING
57 Mariner: UAL777CONTRAIL: "...because mariner says we have to co-exist..." You're putting words in my mouth. I don't say: "....we have to co-exist" - I say that
58 SQ452: I love the new commercials on their website.
59 Alphascan: Just got this e-mail and it reminded me of someone on this thread: An honest man was being tailgated by a stressed out woman on a busy boulevard. Sudd
60 AirplaneBoy: UAL777contrail: Just drop it. And no, I did not cry over your original post- obviously it is no longer on here. So whether you received an e-mail or n
61 Copaair737: How about LAX-BIL? No one serves that route currently, it could work maybe. I would like to see SMF-PVR/CUN, but that may not happen it seems. I wish