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Frontier Summer Loads Looking Great  
User currently offlineAirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 560 posts, RR: 10
Posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3465 times:

I just thought I'd bring up something about F9 to keep us "up to date" in the discussion forum.  Laugh out loud Though I can't provide specific information, I thought I'd let everyone know that our L.A. loads for the summer are looking great.

If you'd like to post anything about F9, feel free to do so. Questions, comments? I know that Mariner and MSYTristar know a lot about F9.

Travis

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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4368 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3397 times:
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Great!!! Hope that MSP-LAX is sucessful, I would like to see DEN-DSM or DEN- CID some day.


Next flights: WN DSM-LAS-PHX, US PHX-SJD. Return: US SJD-PHX, WN PHX-MDW-DSM
User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6532 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3378 times:

Hey Travis, have fun in LAX man. Things are a little different over there then they are down here in terms of F9 activity (well, a lot different actually), but trust me, the "spirit" is the same.

BTW, in case you haven't seen her yet in person, be on the lookout for aircraft 927. She flew in here today and man is she ever a beauty. "Flip" looks right at home on her tail. She still has that "new plane smell"....ah, you just can't beat it.  Smile


Steve/MSY


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25013 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3335 times:
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MSYtristar:

Steve, I thought MSY was going to be the A318 for the summer. But checking the website, it seems to be the A319 more often.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3334 times:
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How are LAX-PHL and PHL-LAX doing (without disclosing numbers, of course)... light? heavy? as expected?

User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

Awesome news, it looks like TED and F9 will be able to coexist. Not that they wern't going to. As F9 is doing expansions away from DEN, and TED is utilizing all the UA outposts(ORD, IAD, DEN, SFO-to an extent, and LAX- also to an extent).

User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3301 times:

I didn't quite believe him at first, but I now believe 'Mariner' is very correct in stating that UA and F9 need one another at DEN...the fact that F9's loads are high and strong for the summer, and that TED has so far exceeded expectations of the constantly negative UA-hater analysts in terms of load factor, support his argument.

I would look for TED to continue expanding, though hopefully based on intelligent planning. I believe that TED will eventually dominate IAD once Independence Air flushes itself down the toilet.

GO TED!


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6532 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3247 times:

Mariner,

DEN-MSY just switched over to an A319 again. It will remain this way until July 1st, when we see the return of the 737-300 through late August. Then, looks like the 319 again. We sure do get the whole rotation of aircraft down here that's for sure!


Steve


User currently offlineFrntman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 209 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3093 times:

How are LAX-PHL and PHL-LAX doing (without disclosing numbers, of course)... light? heavy? as expected?

I'd say the loads are doing better than expected. Having been in PHL for the opening for the past week, the reception from the airport was absolutely great! Other airlines were also stopping by the ticket counter and the gate wishing us the best of luck.

All in all, a great start-up.


User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2900 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3013 times:
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Good to hear. I was afraid that WN was a tough act to follow at PHL. Hopefully the loads (and yields) will be there!

User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2995 times:

It is amazing to me how successful FRONTIER is. It seems like every city they open up does well and everyone is happy to see them come in. The service is great, you can tell that all of the employees are happy to be there and enjoy their job. In a time where airlines are not doing great its good to see one like F9 making good decisions and being successful.
On a side note, I used to think that F9 and B6 would do great if they were to merge, however now I don't think so. B6 is growing way to fast and with their aircraft orders is expecting to speed up even faster! I don't think that works very well with the way F9 does business. I expect F9 to open a "focus city" in the east within the next 6 months. This will open up the Caribbean for F9 service and after that I believe we will see Hawaii on the F9 route map..



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User currently offlineTxAgKuwait From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1803 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

I think it's great that loads are looking good.

But let's get real for just a moment.

Is Frontier making any money?

>>Frontier on course for $5.4M loss
High fuel prices, weak sales could end profitable string

By David Kesmodel, Rocky Mountain News
May 27, 2004

Frontier Airlines is expected today to end a string of three profitable quarters by posting a loss that one analyst said might top $5 million and disappoint Wall Street.

Citing high fuel prices and weaker-than-expected sales, analysts on average have been projecting a net loss of about $1 million, or 3 cents a share, for the three months ended March 31.

J.P. Morgan analyst Jamie Baker said Wednesday he expects Frontier to record a net loss of $5.4 million after reviewing financial results the Denver- based discounter filed recently with the U.S. Department of Transportation.

In the filing, dated May 12, Frontier said its net loss in its fiscal fourth quarter was $5.4 million, or about 14 cents a share.

Baker said "Form 41" Transportation Department filings can differ from results reported under generally accepted accounting principles, or GAAP, by excluding one- time gains or charges. But he said he didn't expect any one-time items in the results Frontier will post today.

"We believe Frontier's net loss will reach $5.4 million," he said in a report to investors.

Frontier's filings with the Transportation Department have matched results reported under GAAP in seven of the previous eight quarters, he said.

Frontier spokesman Joe Hodas stressed that the numbers submitted to the Transportation Department are "preliminary and unaudited." He wouldn't comment further.

Baker had been projecting that Frontier would break even in the January-March quarter.

A year earlier, the airline recorded a company-record loss of $13 million as it suffered from Denver's worst blizzard in years.

A loss in the latest period would be the fifth in the past nine quarters for Frontier, which ranks second after UAL Corp.'s United Airlines in the number of passengers served at Denver International Airport.

"For a low-cost carrier, Frontier's grasp on profits is elusive at best," Baker said in his report.

Baker said Frontier's results since 2002 compare favorably with those of big hub carriers such as American. But other discounters have done better, with AirTran reporting only one quarterly loss since the beginning of 2002 and JetBlue and Southwest reporting none, he said.

"In the post-9/11 revenue environment, Frontier therefore appears capable of profit only when oil prices are low and/or UAL mismanagement is high," he said.

His comments followed a negative report Friday by Raymond James & Associates analyst Jim Parker.

Parker, who owns Frontier shares, cut his earnings estimates for each quarter of fiscal 2005, which began April 1. For the April-June quarter, he cut projected profits to 5 cents a share from 11 cents.

He said he made the cuts primarily because of the recent rise in crude oil prices to about $41 a barrel. Frontier hedged only 7 percent of its fuel needs for the first six months of 2004.

In addition to high fuel prices, analysts are concerned about Frontier's tough pricing competition and the possibility that United's new budget carrier, Ted, will wrest cost-conscious fliers from Frontier at DIA.

Frontier shares fell 10 cents, or 1 percent, to $9.55, Wednesday and are down 33 percent this year <<

Ultimately the real test s not whether or not tha planes have lots of people on them, but whether or not, at the end of the financial reporting period, there is black (rather than red) ink.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25013 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2971 times:
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TexAgKuwait:

Is Frontier making any money? Yes.

Frontier's financial year runs from March 31 to April 1. For that financial year, they have declared a profit of $12.6 million - or 36 cents a share.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040528/laf014_1.html

However, they did make a loss in the last quarter of that year - Jan/Mar - mostly because of the sky high price of fuel.

Which affects all airlines. UAL has estimated that they will pay $700 million more for fuel this year than they had forecast.

UAL would have made an operating profit in April at usual fuel price - this became a $77 million loss.

There are also some inaccuracies in the Rocky Mountain news article. Here's one: yes, the analyst Jamie Baker was predicting break even for Frontier for the Jan/Mar quarter - three months ago.

As soon as Frontier warned about the price of fuel, he revised his estimate to an 8 cent loss. Which - excluding some special charges - is what the loss turned out to be.

Now, a loss is never good. But in these bizarre times, Frontier's $5 million loss in the weakest quarter of the year is not the end of the world.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6532 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2931 times:

Well, we had a profitable fiscal year, something that not many airlines can say at this point. If the price of jet fuel ever becomes more resonable (and honestly I have no idea if this will happen in the short term) you can expect our earnings to go through the roof. We have a good marketing strategy in place, new fuel efficient aircraft, a low cost structure, and an expansive route system. And above all else, we treat passengers well.

This Fall will bring several schedule enhancements and some capacity adjustments to several routes in the network.

Overall, it's an exciting time to be with the company.  Smile


Steve/MSY


User currently offlineAirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 560 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2879 times:

MSYTristar,

I agree. This is definitely an exciting time to be with the company. In fact, it's so exciting that I'm busy reading about F9 on here rather than preparing for my final exams this week!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I'm actually planning to transfer to inflight ops to be an F/A.....and no, F9 has not publicly posted any F/A openings yet. Fortunately for me, internal transfers get to apply first! Yay!!!  Laugh out loud

F9 truly does embody teamwork though. Even with adding 39 employees to our LAX station within the last three months, our station is operating smoothly and we're all working hard. We never forget we're all on the same team...now THAT'S how an airline should run!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Happy flying!

Travis/LAX


User currently offlineAirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 560 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2859 times:

Joey Ramone (UAL777contrail) -

Your remarks are not very kind....

And no, I'm not smoking something. Believe me, if I ever "come off that high," I will quit my job and save my co-workers and passengers the misery. Maybe you should consider doing that yourself....to speculate as to whether or not I'm high. Is there anything wrong with my liking the industry so much? Please do not ever respond to my posts with such negativity. You are wasting your time.

It is unnecessary. If you're jealous about how F9 employees can have a blast, then maybe you need to look for a new job. UA is going through hard times, and no doubt, many of their employees are quite disgruntled. But don't take it out on us. As far as Mariner mentioning UA's loss, it was in response to someone who commented about our loss during our weakest financial quarter. His point in mentioning UA's performance (obviously the two airlines are of different sizes) was to show that even after a fourth quarter loss, we were still profitable.

And by the way, I'm 21, still young, love airlines, and love working for my company. Try not to be so upset over the fortunes of others. It's immature, uncalled for, and unnecessary. Remember, we are all in the same industry and there's no reason for bitterness or harsh words.

"You guys aren't as big as us, and you never will be"

How do you know? Statements like this are purely assumptions and are not facts, unlike financial reports. Once again, please, let's not be so childish. You can't deny UA's performance, and neither can we. But hey, that's how the cookie crumbles. Some companies do well, others don't. Then when you least expect it, things switch.

"United will Stand,uniTED WILL THRIVE,United will Conquer!!!"

This was from your profile. I hope UA survives too. It's an airline I grew up with. But remember, before you bash happy employees at an airline that's doing well, take a look at your company AND the morale of ITS employees before you attck others.

For the record, I have never bashed UA or any other airline. I have been very respectful on this site and I expect the same in return. This is not a forum for WARS, it is a forum for those who share something in COMMON!!!! - Airlines and airliners.
Travis/LAX

P.S. F9 almost always has openings. If you ever have a change of heart or are in need of a job, you know where to look. This is not to be sarcastic, I am being sincere and honest. Communicating through writing can be deceptive, so please do not take my suggestion the wrong way. Good day.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2845 times:

Well a lot of passengers at ANC have been getting Frontier Airliners confused with Frontier Flying Service.


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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

Well a lot of passengers at ANC have been getting Frontier Airliners confused with Frontier Flying Service.

ROTFLMAO!!!!

You mean they can't discern between turboprops flying regional and nonstop to DEN??? ok, that's understandable, but still.

Is it still a possibility that F9 might switch some of their A319 options to A320's?



User currently offlineAirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 560 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

L-188:

That was funny!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Let's hope they can find their way to the right airport.  Laugh out loud j/k

DLKAPA:

From what I understand, our company presently does not have plans to order any A320's. They are too large for us. The 319 and 318 have been perfect, at least according to our CEO, Jeff Potter.

It would sure be nice though. I'm hoping for A321's as well. You never know!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Mariner and MSYTristar may have better explanations than me though.

Travis/LAX



User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2809 times:

From what I have been reading in the past, Mariner has stated that by the end of the year some of the A319 options would be switches for A320's to cover some of the busier routes.

Would be nice to see one (still clinging on desperately to hopes of A330  Smile/happy/getting dizzy )

DLKAPA


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2808 times:

I understand that Frontier uses the international terminal, while Frontier Flying Serives flies out of the old A gates.

Which is where most of the problems are comming in since it is a real decent hike between the two terminals.


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User currently offlineAirplaneBoy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 560 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

Good point L-188.

Frontier Airlines and Frontier Flying Service.... What would be a good way for people to distinguish the two? If I didn't know anything about airlines or planes, I would be really confused too. After all, I'd only remember "Frontier." I'd wonder what the difference between 'flying service' and 'airlines' is.

Let's hope that gets fixed.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Travis/LAX


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2798 times:

Yes, F9 is just going to have to change it's name.

Frontier Flying Service was using it first!



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25013 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2736 times:
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DLKAPA:

In their new contract with Airbus, for 15 x A319, Frontier has the ability to convert all or any of those aircraft to A320.

This does not mean that they will convert those orders. Also, as part of the contract, Frontier is required by Airbus to lease an additional 3 x A319 or 3 x A320 (from a third party lessor).

It both cases, it is completely Frontier's choice as to whether they switch to A320's or stay with A319.

On top of that, at the time of signing the contract, Frontier said they intended to lease an additional 16 x A319 or A318.

The lastest clue we have from the CEO was at the Bear Sterns Aviation Conference last month, when he said that "the fleet will continue to be a mix of A319's and A318's."

So - it sounds as if Frontier has decided that the A319/A318 mix suits them, and they may not go with the A320.

Or - they simply may not have decided about the A320 yet.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2729 times:

AIRPLANEBOY,
Mylanta, you read way into that last thread. I didn't realize you were so sensitive. I apologize for ruffling your wings. I don't want a job with F9, nor will I ever, they aren't a big airline like UAL. If UAL was to go under(it wont) I don't want to work in the industry any more, it isn't worth it. I have 9 years going on 10 real soon, and I wouldn't want to work for any other carrier than UAL, and just so you know, everyone feels the way you do when they first start off so it isn't new. I make wonderful money, excellent benefits, and my job is fun, so no I don't want a job with F9. I work CS for UAL and you get tired of the idiots and people who just have no clue how to travel by air. So your praises of such a fun and exciting job are felt on both sides, I just don't wear it on my sleeve. So don't take offense to what I said, I really was only making a joke.

you guys aren't as big and never will be.

be honest with yourself, you actually think F9 will be the second largest airline in the world? Bigger than WN in the LCC market? NAW.

I know how mariner says F9 and UAL can co-exist and such in the DEN market. YES They can, I don't like F9 and the way they whine, Mariner says they don't but they do, and since I work for the rival I don't have sympathy, we aren't on the same team just in the same league or division. When COS gets diversions you always see F9 wandering around the tarmac looking for someone to work them, it is quit amusing. Explain why they got rid of HP working their diversions?

Good luck, and happy days.

UAL 777 CONTRAIL


25 Post contains links Mariner : UAL777CONTRAIL: "be honest with yourself, you actually think F9 will be the second biggest airline in the world?" I don't. I don't want it to be the s
26 AirMatt : Any news on the DEN-ONT loads? Might they be able to upgrade to mainline service?
27 Jetmek319 : UAL777CONTRAIL: You don't even want to start a discussion on airlines "whining" if you work for UAL. F9 will never be the 2nd largest airline in the w
28 Gigneil : When COS gets diversions you always see F9 wandering around the tarmac looking for someone to work them, it is quit amusing. That's a very sadly unpr
29 Alphascan : As I understand the F9 A320 vs 319/318 strategy, 320s won't be needed until frequencies are built up between large traffic centers. Considering freque
30 MSYtristar : UAL777CONTRAIL wrote: "I work CS for UAL and you get tired of the idiots and people who just have no clue how to travel by air." Time for a job change
31 Post contains images N901FRWOLF : -quote- AIRPLANEBOY, Mylanta, you read way into that last thread. I didn't realize you were so sensitive. I apologize for ruffling your wings. I don't
32 Quickmover : "In their new contract with Airbus, for 15 x A319, Frontier has the ability to convert all or any of those aircraft to A320." Does anyone know how muc
33 Post contains links L-188 : Just to show that I wasn't making that story about the Frontier vs. Frontier confusion in the last Frontier, here is the story. http://www.ktuu.com/ar
34 Post contains images 7E72004 : How has The IND-DEN service been doing? Anyone know of any #s??
35 Post contains links and images DLKAPA : Sure looks like Frontier is doing bad to me UA777Contrail, http://www.frontierairlines.com/news/articleDisplay.asp?article=/general/2004/pr_05272004.n
36 Post contains images Mariner : L-188: Perhaps Frontier Airlines should start a code share with Frontier Flying Service for intra-Alaska flights. It would be a fun headline: "Frontie
37 MSYtristar : IND-DEN is a solid route for F9. The route will be staying at two daily 733's for the near future. Look for changes on SEVERAL routes in mid August. T
38 Post contains images Mariner : MSYTristar: You've been very upbeat abut the Fall schedule for a few days now, Steve. I'm assuming you're going to be a bit busier this winter than yo
39 Post contains images MSYtristar : Mariner, well, I can't say i'll be busier...yet. There will be an August 15th schedule change followed by one in September or early October. Most like
40 Frntman : The proposed August schedule change won't be finalized until probably June 15th or so. As for this change, look for frequencies to be increased in cer
41 Mariner : MSYtristar: You and I have both mentioned a route that would keep you a bit busy, but there's some paperwork that would have to be done for that, and
42 Post contains images MSYtristar : Mariner, I think the route you are referring to will happen sooner or later. If I was a betting man, I'd say it would happen this year; alas, I am not
43 COfaninBOS : I was happy to see in the latest OAG that service to IAH is up to 3 times daily, with one 319, one 733, and one 318. That's a big improvement over the
44 UAL-Fan : I flew Frontier today, it was a great flight. The PTV's are really nice. One interesting thing I learned was that the flights to ANC will only be sold
45 Frntman : mariner- I too listened to the same conference call and don't expect any new cities coming in FY 05. The "paperwork flights" will probably happen from
46 Liquid : AirplaneBoy- Did I miss something? UAL777contrail has not posted before you in this thread so why did you start yelling. If you brought it from a diff
47 Gigneil : Unless Frontier chose a very, very, very low MTOW for their 319s, there's no reason they can't make it will both full pax AND cargo. UA operates the r
48 Post contains images Mariner : Frntman: Glad you got the "paperwork cities" clue - I thought maybe I was being too subtle. AUS/CUN - terrific. BNA/CUN - sounds good, and it was in t
49 Frntman : mariner- I agree that MSY-CUN would work and for all we know it could be on the grand list of frequency increases. I would more than ecstatic if this
50 Post contains images LoneStarMike : Since this thread is about Frontier's load factors, I thought I'd throw out these numbers from the Consumer Airfare Report regarding traffic and fares
51 Post contains images AirplaneBoy : Liquid- Apparently his post was deleted. I do not discuss items from other threads in other threads. May I add, this was a thread that I started, and
52 Squirrel83 : I went to spokane this weekend and Noticed that frontier flys there is this frontier or frontier express?
53 Post contains images AirplaneBoy : Hey Squirrel, It is currently operated by our JetExpress arm (by Horizon). We have a twice daily frequency at present. Travis/LAX
54 Alphascan : Love the numbers Mike. Thanks for your effort. MORE MORE MORE
55 Post contains images Mariner : AirplaneBoy: We're all being a bit coy. I don't work for Frontier so I don't know any actual plans. Both MSYtristar and Frntman do work for Frontier,
56 Ual777contrail : airplanboy, You people don't like it when someone questions you? I didn't get a post deleted, never got the fun email from a mod. N901FRWOLF, LACKING
57 Post contains images Mariner : UAL777CONTRAIL: "...because mariner says we have to co-exist..." You're putting words in my mouth. I don't say: "....we have to co-exist" - I say that
58 SQ452 : I love the new commercials on their website.
59 Alphascan : Just got this e-mail and it reminded me of someone on this thread: An honest man was being tailgated by a stressed out woman on a busy boulevard. Sudd
60 Post contains images AirplaneBoy : UAL777contrail: Just drop it. And no, I did not cry over your original post- obviously it is no longer on here. So whether you received an e-mail or n
61 Copaair737 : How about LAX-BIL? No one serves that route currently, it could work maybe. I would like to see SMF-PVR/CUN, but that may not happen it seems. I wish
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