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User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8058 times:

My dad was telling me (furlough US pilot working for Mesa) that US Airways may sell 50 737s to FedEx. (25 currently flying and 25 that are in the desert)
That should bring in some more cash. Also, you guys probably already know of the 60 A320s they plan to buy for point to point service to compete with Southwest.

A final note is that we should know by October whether USAir will make it. (I also got this from my dad.)

-SOAC


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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7969 times:
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I can see the selling of the 737's. I cant see them buying 60 A320s....who'd finance them?


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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6520 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7955 times:

60 A320's for point-to-point competition against Southwest? Are they high?

"Metrojet 2" is not what US needs to start up right now.


Steve/MSY


User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7911 times:

"Metrojet 2" is not what US needs to start up right now.

It's not suppose to be a separate airline, it's going to be mainline.
Hopefully this will bring my dad back quicker.

-SOAC



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User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7841 times:

My dad was telling me (furlough US pilot working for Mesa) that US Airways may sell 50 737s to FedEx

I have heard these rumors before...Another possible source of 737s for FedEx is United.


User currently offlineWidgetBoi From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1432 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7786 times:

Would the A320s have first and economy cabins or single class service?

Thanks for the help  Big grin

jeremy


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4365 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7703 times:
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My dad was telling me (furlough US pilot working for Mesa) that US Airways may sell 50 737s to FedEx. (25 currently flying and 25 that are in the desert) That should bring in some more cash.

Sure it would bring in some cash, but it will cost more for those 60 A320's then they will get from selling 50 737's..................



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User currently offlineVorticity From United States of America, joined May 2004, 337 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7685 times:

Sad, I always liked the look of a 757 in US Airways colors. But it's better they go to UPS than sitting in the desert I suppose... let's use those planes!


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User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7655 times:

Would the A320s have first and economy cabins or single class service?

I'm not sure but I would guess it would be a 2 class layout. But my dad told me that he wouldn't be surprised if US cuts out its F/C on domestic routes do to all the free upgrades that are costing them money. (THAT WAS JUST A THOUGHT, don't go around saying US is getting rid of its F/C  Smile )

-SOAC



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User currently offlineFreshlove1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7620 times:

I could believe this because US is trying to get the fleet that they have down to one type which will probably be Airbus. There were rumors like this floating around not to long ago saying that US Mainline wanted to get rid of all the Boeings and get more Airbus A/C. But remember rumors like this are a daily thing in this industry, but I don't doubt what your dad has herd. Does he fly the ERJ/CRJ/DH8/or B19 for Mesa/Air Midwest??

User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7596 times:

ok, if in financial trouble then what is the point of buying 60 aircraft? doing that you're spending money you don't have. as much as i would love to see US flying on into the future i think that this may be a bad idea, that is if it's even true.


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User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7586 times:

Does he fly the ERJ/CRJ/DH8/or B19 for Mesa/Air Midwest??

He flies the CRJ-200, based out of PHL.

-SOAC



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User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7531 times:

ok, if in financial trouble then what is the point of buying 60 aircraft? doing that you're spending money you don't have.

I asked the same question to my dad. He said that although its going to be expensive, US NEEDS them to survive. OHHHH I forgot to mention that these 60 planes will be flying at a lower CASM (I think that is how you say it) than the other aircraft. (I'm not sure how they are going to do it)

-SOAC



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User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7466 times:

man, that's part of the reason i'm studying airport managment. i never really cared for the managment side of the airlines, i rather be there where you can smell the fuel. Big grin

by the way, can someone explain CASM?

[Edited 2004-05-27 06:22:55]


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User currently offlineWidgetBoi From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1432 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7195 times:

Thanks for the help SonOfACaptain!

BTW..great name  Big grin

jeremy


User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7160 times:

I can see the selling of the 737's. I cant see them buying 60 A320s....who'd finance them?

Airbus, of course! Big grin

Aaron G.


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7044 times:

CASM = costs per available seat mile


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7024 times:

You just got to love the smell of jet exhaust when you arrive at work, eh?? Cleans your sinuses! LOL!!

US and Airbus?? Are they CRAZY?!? Is this another way for US to die off easily? Not a very wise move right now. Leasing them, on the other hand, is a different ballgame. But buying them....with what money and from whom??



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6962 times:

Its well known that part of the exit from bankruptcy included plans to deploy 60 new Airbus frames and retiring a lot of Boeings.

It was part of the deal with the pilots.

N


User currently offlineSwardu From United States of America, joined May 2004, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 6706 times:

I'm still trying to figure out, though, how US can afford much of anything? They are having difficulties paying back their loan gaurentees, the employees have had to take 20-30% pay cuts and a fair amount of furloughs, a CEO switch (which wasn't bad) and a pension company (Alabama Pension) that is about ready to drop them and cut all financing, and US can afford to bring in 60 NEW, EXPENSIVE, Airbuses? The 737's won't garner them a lot of cash as they are some of the 1st ones off the -300 and -400 line. I can see simplification yes, but I think I would do it after I've established a good track record instead of in the midst of internal chaos.

User currently offlineClipperNo1 From Germany, joined May 1999, 672 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 19 hours ago) and read 6387 times:

If US Airways goes point-to-point (...for what reason ever), how much of an value are they to the Star Alliance?


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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6756 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 19 hours ago) and read 6376 times:

isn't one of the airline alliances trying to get a LCC into their alliance? If so, US could be what STAR is looking for...


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User currently offlineXJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 19 hours ago) and read 6310 times:

how much of an value are they to the Star Alliance?

I would say more value. An increased number of routes from/to a particular city will result in more choices for the traveler especially if it consists of a New York route or a west coast route.

Just my .02

XJR



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3007 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 18 hours ago) and read 5997 times:

It still could be valid info. Who knows? It comes from a source closer than you or me....


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 18 hours ago) and read 5986 times:

Hey Matt,

It is good to see someone using their head, how can you buy 60 new planes? This year will tell the tale for US. I am glad you are studying airport management too Matt!


25 Post contains images AA737-823 : No one would finance an order for 60 A320s... no one but Airbus, I guess. I mean, I really doubt it, but if Airbus did it, I would probably just roll
26 GSPSPOT : That's right.... I thought when they came out of bankruptcy, they said they were going to focus on more regional jet, point-to-point service...
27 SonOfACaptain : That's right.... I thought when they came out of bankruptcy, they said they were going to focus on more regional jet, point-to-point service... The RJ
28 Cubsrule : Did US ever resolve the issues with their mechanics related to the heavy maintenance of the Airbii? I remember it was a big deal 6 months or a year ag
29 Post contains images Ouboy79 : The order for 60 narrowbody Airbuses is not really a rumor. This something that has been publically talked about for the last few months. Once pilot n
30 Mariner : The idea of the 60 x A320 is an old one. It was first suggested by the previous CEO, Mr. Siegel, before he left the company. The problem is that there
31 BoingGoingGone : I've heard SWA is giving US until July 1 and they will lay the hammer down on the top 10 markets out of both PHL and PIT. Take it for what it's worth.
32 KaiGywer : Cancidas, CASM is Cost per Available Seat Mile. It is the cost of flying one seat one mile. On the other hand you have RASM, revenue per available sea
33 Post contains images Usairways16bwi : instead of 60 A320's, how about 40 757's? lol just a thought. i love the 757. oh well.
34 Post contains links MasseyBrown : There's a lot of financial misinformation in some of the above posts. I suggest anyone who cares about accuracy read the company's SEC Form 10-Q for t
35 AirframeAS : I've heard SWA is giving US until July 1 and they will lay the hammer down on the top 10 markets out of both PHL and PIT. Take it for what it's worth.
36 Cancidas : take this into account, there is no news of this info at any of the people i work with, beit mainline or express. hmmm....
37 Post contains images Aa717driver : Massey--Can you give us the Cliff Notes version? The last time I tried reading a 10-Q filing, I needed therapy. SOAC--Tell your dad to hang in there.
38 BoingGoingGone : What source did you hear this from?? This is going to be very interesting once again. An SWA scheduler working on the bid.
39 N670UW : Did US ever resolve the issues with their mechanics related to the heavy maintenance of the Airbii? I remember it was a big deal 6 months or a year ag
40 A330323X : As of now, no. The company and the IAM are meeting with an arbitrator over the issue, although I'm not familiar with the timeline for when the decisio
41 Swatpamike : I don't think that we will see to many new aircraft at US Airways anytime soon. The regional jet deal is back in talks with GECAS after a downgrade of
42 Flashmeister : Even if US and GECAS come to another agreement, the costs for all of the new RJs, not to mention the new Airbii, will be significantly higher, because
43 Cloudy : I've heard SWA is giving US until July 1 and they will lay the hammer down on the top 10 markets out of both PHL and PIT. Take it for what it's worth
44 Iowaman : I'm sorry but US and there fares are rediculous, I wanted to fly from LAS to CLT and it is $1951.00!!! Thats pathetic. I kind of hope they do go out o
45 N670UW : I'm sorry but US and there fares are rediculous, I wanted to fly from LAS to CLT and it is $1951.00!!! Thats pathetic. I kind of hope they do go out o
46 Post contains links Iowaman : Leaving June 20th, has to be N/S because im flying alone. http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll?tovr=2004032200&ps3u=
47 Iowaman : Actually, it's only $951 because I would be flying one way, but still, wayyyyyyyy to much money,
48 Gigneil : If you're over 13, you can connect. ATA has a $219 fare. N
49 MasseyBrown : AA717, the Cliff notes version of the 10-Q is that as of April 1, UAIR had about $250 million free cash over required minimums and commitments against
50 Runway27right : Southwest previously announced it will double it's flights into PHL on July 6th, which makes that 28. July 1st doesn't make sense. And as Cloudy state
51 NWDC10 : I think US Airways should keep all their Airbus a/c and slowly phase out all Boeing a/c. Definitely replace 757 with A320/21. These are a better compe
52 OPNLguy : >>>I've heard SWA is giving US until July 1 and they will lay the hammer down on the top 10 markets out of both PHL and PIT. Take it for what it's wor
53 Scottb : To clear up a couple of points of misinformation regarding UAIR's early repayment of part of its guaranteed loan: The early repayment and the amount r
54 Jalto27R : First I must say, 757's all the way! A-320's are just not something I want to see more of in the skies. Though, I am sure the selling of fifty 73's wi
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