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737s For Mesa Airlines? Maybe  
User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1994 times:

This letter was sent to my dad. (I'm not sure I'm allowed to post it  Smile ) Anyway I only pasted a small portion of it.

May 21, 2004


Dear Pilots:

Last week your MEC Chairman, Capt. Andy Hughes, was presented with an unwritten, verbal "offer" from Mesa Air Group Management for a 737 operation. This operation was presented as an independent, stand-alone, up to 10 aircraft venture out of Pittsburgh. The offer was also presented under an implied threat that if the offer was not accepted, then the certificate, and flying under it, would be sold.

The offer was as follows:

- 737 Captain Pay Rates at 20% over the CRJ 900
- 737 First Officer pay at current Jet First Officer Pay Rates
- 2-year extension to the current Collective Bargaining Agreement
(thru Sept. 19, 2009)
- No Jet-to-Jet First Officer Movement


Hope you enjoy it.

-SOAC

(Edited to fix a mistake)

[Edited 2004-05-27 05:38:59]


Non Illegitimi Carborundum
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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4434 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1954 times:
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Interesting......... I would have thought Mesa wouldn't consider them since they are a regional airline like Skywest, Mesaba, etc.

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1944 times:

>>>This letter was sent to my dad. (I'm not sure I'm allowed to post it

They why post it until you asked your Dad? Why put your Dad in the possible position of having to explain why his son posted an excerpt from an ALPA letter on a worldwide forum?


User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1926 times:

They why post it until you asked your Dad? Why put your Dad in the possible position of having to explain why his son posted an excerpt from an ALPA letter on a worldwide forum?

Hey now, lol, it was just a little joke. He wouldn't nor would Mesa MEC mind if I put a small piece of a huge letter on this. No harm done. (I'm not a bad son, I promise  Smile )

-SOAC



Non Illegitimi Carborundum
User currently offlineAviationhack From United States of America, joined May 2004, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1914 times:

Looks like someone's looking to get booted from the gravytrain. Good luck finding an apartment  Smile

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

>>>He wouldn't nor would Mesa MEC mind

Then it appears that you've contradicted your own statement...  Insane

Whatever....

>>>The offer was also presented under an implied threat that if the offer was not accepted, then the certificate, and flying under it, would be sold

Gotta love that "style" of negotiation....  Insane


User currently offlineAviationhack From United States of America, joined May 2004, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

Is this also in conjunction with your Rumors from within US thread?

User currently offlineFreshlove1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

Yeah we all got the same letter in our E-mail from Johnny-O. We already have the 737's, 8 of them that are ready to go. I believe that they are being stored in a hangar out at Goodyear. Its part of Johnny's back up plan should US have more problems and not make it, but what I have herd is that alot of the pilots would not touch a 737 for that kind of pay and low ball the other pilots (WN,DL for ex.) that make good pay flying it and set yet another bad example like Mesa is prone to do.

User currently offline737captain From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1868 times:

I'm somewhat confused Sonofacaptain........does your dad work for USairways, or Mesa, because you have now claimed he works for US in one thread, and YV in this thread.........which is it?


"Why do you insist on man-pawing the glareshield everytime you climb up here?!"
User currently offlineFreshlove1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1858 times:

It is possible that he was furloughed and is part of the "Jets for Jobs" deal

User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1840 times:

I'm somewhat confused Sonofacaptain........does your dad work for USairways, or Mesa, because you have now claimed he works for US in one thread, and YV in this thread.........which is it?

Lol, I think I have made it a little confusing  Smile . Ok, this is the tiny summary of my dad's sad airline career for the past year and half (This is the 3rd time he has been furloughed) On Jan. 1st, 2003 my dad was furloughed. (Ok we will skip the summer time) On Aug. 16 he started training for Mesa Airlines on a CRJ-200 flying under US Airways Express banner. Sometime during the winter he made capt.  Smile . And this is were we are at today. (And he is counting down the days until Oct. (That's when his contract for Mesa is up and he can go to MidAtlantic, flying the Emb-170 (Which is an AWESOME plane to ride in)

-SOAC



Non Illegitimi Carborundum
User currently offlineDbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1829 times:

If Mesa got the 737s, would they continue to code share for HP and UA?

User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1829 times:

It is possible that he was furloughed and is part of the "Jets for Jobs" deal

Dang it Freshlove1, you make me write that big explanation when I could have just said that. Geeez lol  Smile .

-SOAC



Non Illegitimi Carborundum
User currently offline737captain From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

ahhh, my bad, I understand now.......Jets for Jobs didn't even cross my mind till you posted that


"Why do you insist on man-pawing the glareshield everytime you climb up here?!"
User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1760 times:

go to mesalounge.com----you can view the pix of the 300s that are at gyr...all are ex co 733....and pieces of @#$% to boot....no doubt J.O. threw about 3.40 plus speed tape to get them airworthy......


bus driver.......move that bus:)
User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1741 times:

Yeah we all got the same letter in our E-mail from Johnny-O. We already have the 737's, 8 of them that are ready to go. I believe that they are being stored in a hangar out at Goodyear.

Yeah right...I'll believe it when I see it.  Yeah sure If Mesa is serious about this, they would be in violation of codeshare agreements. They cant operate an aircraft with more than 90 seats or something like that.

If Mesa got the 737s, would they continue to code share for HP and UA?

If and only if this was to happen, Im sure it would tick off HP for sure. Sad Mesa has got to be very very careful at what they are going to do in terms of aircraft aquiring and pax configuration.

no doubt J.O. threw about 3.40 plus speed tape to get them airworthy......

He probably used permaseal (for floor panels) tape with Cargo pit tape to keep the airframe together. Yeah sure



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User currently onlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5844 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 1669 times:

And this also was previously mentioned in the media, as I post in a thread a few days ago. According to public statements anyway, this is only one possible alternative being looked at by Mesa in the event that US fails.

Monday's media article about TheStreet.com discussing Mesa and 737s.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ts/040524/10161930_4.html



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1982 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 1616 times:

Uadc8contrail,

Give me a break regarding the CO 733 comment...A good sign of an airplane's worth is the maintenance done to it by the previous carrier. Note that a good portion of CO's MD-82s have gone on to fly for other carriers, quite a few more than US's (granted that theirs are -81s). And also note that COs 737-300s are almost all accounted for since they've gone to the desert, becoming cargo birds for TNT in Belgium, and soon to become Mesa's 737-300s (Ship 308 should be the first one I'm told)...even the 3 -500s were snatched up within a week of returning to the lessor.

Anything in Mesa's contract preventing them from flying them for a carrier that has yet to start service? VirginRed (USA, whatever) anyone?

JSD



"Irregardless, it's a Cat III airplane, we don't need an alternate!"
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