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Breaking News...World Airways MD-11  
User currently offlineMax777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 77 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9858 times:

I don't have a lot of information at this time, but something happened at LAX involving World Airways MD-11. I will try to find more information. If anyone has any info, please post it.

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User currently offlineMax777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9743 times:

Here is the link...

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/T/TAIL_HEAVY_PLANE?SITE=APWEB&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT


User currently offlineMax777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9593 times:

"LOS ANGELES (AP) -- A cargo plane being unloaded at Los Angeles International Airport became unbalanced and tipped onto its rear wheels Thursday, stranding seven workers 40 feet above ground.

"As soon as they took whatever it was out of the back of the plane, the weight shifted and the plane just went back on its tail," said Bob Collis, a fire spokesman.

The uninjured workers were rescued after about an hour by firefighters using a ladder truck, he said. Television footage showed a conveyor belt crushed under the plane's tail.

The accident involving the MD-11 World Airways cargo plane happened around 3:15 a.m. at the airport's cargo complex, away from regular airport traffic."

The Associated Press.


User currently offlineStarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9213 times:

What kind of damage usually results from this? I've seen a number of tail down pics in the database. Outside of some scratching on the tail is there any consequences to a tail-down?


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8975 times:

Well, if someone from here snaps a picture of that, I can see that being the "Top of Yesterday" pic on the home page.  Big grin

User currently offlineBeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1752 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8972 times:

"As soon as they took whatever it was out of the back of the plane, the weight shifted and the plane just went back on its tail," said Bob Collis, a fire spokesman.

Lets be correct they had to off load the front first for that to happen.

MD11F is off loaded as follows:

Lower Rear Belly First.
Upper Deck Next.
Lower Forward belly Last.


User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8791 times:

If the object that caused the weight shift was at the back of the plane, how did the plane end up on its tail...because if that quote was correct wouldn't most of the weight be near the front of the plane at that point, putting more pressure on the front landing gear rather then tipping in the back?
Grant it, I suck at physics...but this still doesn't make sense.


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4390 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8579 times:
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I agree LV, doesn't make any sense that it would tip back when they took weight off the back of the plane.


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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2637 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8532 times:

This may occurred after landing - and no fuel in the a/c, shifting a lot of weight.

You may then think, how was it loaded? Maybe fuel was in the a/c when it was loaded.B4


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User currently offlineAreopagus From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8417 times:

Granted, I suck at physics...

Evidently, not nearly as much as reporters do.


User currently offlineAlphazulu From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 266 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8164 times:
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If you take a look at this LAX web-cam you can see she is still tilted up.  Sad

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/news/032301_FS_web_cam.html

It's not a good picture, but it's better than nothing, and it's live!!


Paul


User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7852 times:

Could someone try to get the registration number?

N276WA is currently leased to BR.
N275WA is currently leased to CI.


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 7660 times:

It's N275WA and it's still sitting on it's ass...

BN747



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User currently offlineLUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7346 times:

I wonder what will happen if they ever load or unload an A380 freighter wrong? That would be a sight to see.

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User currently offlineAuae From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 296 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7222 times:

Whew,

At least it wasn't one of our leased birds.

Shawn



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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4511 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6762 times:

what is it that they say about the MD-11...nose heavy in the air tail heavy on the ground?


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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13078 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6653 times:

Could this be the end of this a/c? to be wfu'd and broken up? Could there be structural damage? With this old of an a/c, probably not worth it to fix if significant damage and cheaper to go out to the dessert and find an old DC10/MD-11 and get it converted.

User currently offlineCanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6495 times:

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. I've seen a few cargo planes on their rear, usually you just right the aircraft, have it inspected and it's back in the air. I don't think WO will be chartering an aircraft to go searching the desert for a replacement just yet.


The beatings will continue until morale improves
User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3013 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6370 times:

With this old of an a/c, probably not worth it to fix if significant damage

What? The oldest MD-11 in existence is only 14 years old. Most are younger. The A/C entered service in late 1990. Not exactly "old"



Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3013 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6303 times:

In fact, this craft was built in 1995:

Serial Number 48631 Type Registration Corporation
Manufacturer Name MCDONNELL DOUGLAS Certificate Issue Date 03/02/1995
Model MD-11F Status Valid
Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Multi-Engine Type Engine Turbo-Jet
Pending Number Change None Dealer No
Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code 50535404
MFR Year 1995 Fractional Owner NO



Registered Owner

Name INTERNATIONAL LEASE FINANCE CORP
Street 1999 AVE OF THE STARS FL 39
City LOS ANGELES State CALIFORNIA Zip Code 90067
County LOS ANGELES
Country UNITED STATES



Airworthiness

Engine Manufacturer P&W Classification Standard
Engine Model PW4000 SER Category Transport

A/W Date 02/23/1995



Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
User currently offlineCarledwards From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6247 times:

Hey, does that Webcam link work for everyone except me?

I quite agree with you Brons2 the MD11 is not exactly old hehe, and it is very rare that this kind of accident writes the aircraft off anyway.



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User currently offlineSkyhawk From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1066 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6211 times:

Carledwards-Try again, I had trouble a few minutes ago, but just tried and the picture came through fine.

User currently offlineCarledwards From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6105 times:

Hey thanks skyhawk, I've got it now. It does look funny! I hope someone manages to get a photo of it.


Directoria
User currently offlineLtbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13078 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5753 times:

Sorry for saying the a/c here was 'old', I thought it was a DC-10, not a late production MD-11. I still wonder if there was serious structural damage that could be very expensive to fix and how long it will be out of service. Maybe the dessert could have some parts they need to replace rather than a source of a replacement.

User currently offlineN757KW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5629 times:

When KE tipped an MD-11F in SYD, the plane was out of service for several months for repairs.

Also, you have to make sure you continue to move freight forward on the MD-11F to prevent tipping. You can not leave too much weight in the rear. I have worked on the MD-11 for EVA and also good a little nervous pushing pallets around on the plane and feel the aircraft move.

N757KW



"What we've got here, is failure to communicate." from Cool Hand Luke
25 Wjv04 : Gents, i saw some photos about this incident, i saw them at work. Its true, there was a belt loader crushed quite badly, and there is some major damag
26 QANTAS747-438 : I saw the incident today at LAX, but wasn't able to post about it. It was so crazy! I'm used to seeing the World MD-11 in that spot, and I'm used to s
27 CV990 : Hi! Here we go again, another MD11 tipped on, I really stopped counting how many MD11/DC-10's already did that!!!! It will be fine don't worry guys.
28 N754pr : Why the hell are they taking sooo long to put it down, Its almost been 24 hours!!!
29 Post contains images N754pr : Just looked again a few mins later and its back on the ground at 3.00am
30 Post contains links and images Horus : This is what happened to a KE MD-11. View Large View MediumPhoto © Frank Schaefer View Large View MediumPhoto © Craig Murray View Large View
31 DABZF : Quote from the reply 2: "As soon as they took whatever it was out of the back of the plane, the weight shifted and the plane just went back on its tai
32 Canoecarrier : Does anyone have any real pictures? As we all know, there's never a camera too far away from something like this, and the live link doesn't/hasn't sho
33 Theflcowboy : Whats the procedure for putting one of those back on all its feet? I assume they dont just put the cargo they took out of the front back in, that woul
34 Post contains links and images DABZF : You can use some inflatable airbags or crane(s) or combination of those two to get it back up! By the way, not only MD11/DC10 tail tip... actually it'
35 Travatl : So it's clear how it's tipped back, but how do they right it? Is the nose gear damaged in the process?
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