Womack17 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 490 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3879 times:
I am watching and had no idea it would affect me so profoundly. While watching the initial re-enactment I had tears streaming down my face. I knew about this accident but when they make the story personal you just can't help but be affected - God bless all the victims and families of this awful accident.
Oh how I miss Midway Airlines. A class act right to then end.
Jeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3663 times:
I pray for the families. I have often wondered when crashes like this happen if families sometimes feel left out of the equation when investigations, legal cases, and media reports are all going on about the crash.
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3616 times:
I personally didn't find the show that good. In the whole 1 1/2 hours they spent maybe 15 minutes talking about actual causes and events. The rest was footage of more modern accidents and rehashing unimportant information.
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Silver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4899 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3564 times:
I'm watching the program on Modern Marvels and I'm not sure what to think about some of the things they are saying. They are really putting a TON of emphasis on crashes and pilot error. They talked about an Eastern L-1011 crash where the pilots were not aware the plane was descending from 2000 feet all the way to the ground, even after ATC asked them about it?! I've never heard about that accident before, so I have never heard any reports on it, but sometimes I wonder about these airline/crash documentaries. Anyone else catch this program? Its the one before the special on flight 191.
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Geedo From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3453 times:
"I personally didn't find the show that good. In the whole 1 1/2 hours they spent maybe 15 minutes talking about actual causes and events. The rest was footage of more modern accidents and rehashing unimportant information."
I was moved by the show, but disappointed in how they turned fifty minutes of production into ninety minutes of programming. And in a show where shoddy maintenance practices were a big topic, how ironic that duct tape was a big sponsor?
BN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3351 times:
They talked about an Eastern L-1011 crash where the pilots were not aware the plane was descending from 2000 feet all the way to the ground, even after ATC asked them about it?! I've never heard about that accident before,..
Absolutely true! And it went for a swim into the Everglades! The pilots were completely distracted by a faulty light indicator -- they even did a go around which they were too high and this time they were too low.
The History Channel documentary was great.. I and many people brought into the 'faulty bolt' story.. this is the 1st I've heard of an interior pylon flange being constantly jammed (thus fracturing)because of AA's (and others as a cost/time saving or cutting measure) one-step engine removal technique -- when Douglas strongly urged it be a two-step processs! Just asking anyone about this.. the 1st thing out of their mouths will be 'it was a faulty bolt' or 'bolt problem'.
Great presentation except all the Pan Am 707 shots (glad to see them anyway) which had nothing to do with anything. It was great to see footage of the National and Trans America DC-10s!
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Canoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2844 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3238 times:
Like an idiot I taped one hour of the show, thinking "it's a one hour show" at the end of the hour they say, "While most of the investigation was centered on the maintance proceedures of AA at Tulsa, there was another reason the plane crashed." That's about when my tape ended.
Can someone tell me why it rolled after takeoff and the pilots apparently regained control?
Hz747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1735 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3111 times:
They said it was because the engine cut away the hydraulic systems (primary and backup) when it broke away on take off. That pushed leading edge slat back in and when the crew reduced speed after realizing that there was a problem the left wing did produce as much lift as the right wing causing the aircraft to bank to the left then crash after reaching an altitude of only 300ft and not even travelling a mile.
Tjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3004 times:
Loss of hydraulic pressure due to separation of pylon which tore through hydraulic lines caused the leading edge slats to retract on the left wing. PIC was FO, and FO had no stick shaker on his side. FO didn't realize until too late that the left wing was stalling which caused an uncontrollable severe roll to the left.
I thought the AA 191 special on the History Channel was quite informative and objective.
Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
American 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4164 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2811 times:
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When you mention flight 191 on a topic, please be specific about which disaster you are talking about. I figured in this case it's about the DC-10 that crashed in Chicago because that happened just 25 years ago, but 191 is also the flight number of another major disaster: a Delta L-1011 that crashed in Dallas in 1985.
Thanks anyway for the info.