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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 35
Posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2177 times:

Of course there are some mistakes, but its a pretty good article and mentions possible nonstops to Canada, Eastern U.S. and California.

I think they would be wise to route a CR7 DEN-STL-YYZ-STL-DEN.
California SAN comes to mind
East coast LGA seems like the only good candidate in my mind

Yes, I'm getting ahead of myself but its encouraging to hear positive news out of Potter's mouth.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/business/stories.nsf/Business/1E5A4FEB2C90ED4A86256E9B0013190A?OpenDocument&Headline=CEO+says+Frontier+Airlines+will+stick+around+for+a+while&highlight=2%2Clambert

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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2089 times:

Is the mistake that F9 started STL-ANC? Because I dont see it anywhere. if they did when did they announce that?!?! Otherwise its great to see F9 is seeing a profit int STL. I juts hope it doesnt scare AA or get into AA's profitbale routes.
Alex



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25289 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2069 times:
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Atrude:

STL/ANC is a mistake (by the reporter?). F9 #888 originates at MCI to DEN, then to ANC.

STL/DEN is certainly doing very well - that's why they're adding the 3rd flight. From the conference call today, STL/LAX has been "below system average" but is getting better. Still a question mark over that one, I guess.

Also in the conference call, the CEO said that there will be no new cities added in FY '05 - all growth (and there's a bunch) will be between existing cities.

40% of that growth will be at DEN, 38% at LAX and the rest will be at "other cities".

Sorry I don't have anything more specific for you STL guys.

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2024 times:

Mariner,

Aren't most of the LAX routes thus far below system average? (assuming you meant systemwide average not LAX)

I don't really think that there will be massive growth by Frontier but I hope they will continue to expand little by little as carriers in STL seem to do nowadays. I was really expecting almost all of the growth to be between those two cities you mentioned, I'd just like some more options so when I get a chance to fly I won't have a problem getting somewhere on Frontier. I would like to see SAN or LGA started. I don't know about LGA LF's since it went to 5x S80, but I do know that SAN has a ridiculous LF for AA and has seen ZERO growth.



User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5111 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1998 times:

Some good news there, not much but every bit helps here. I wonder if F9 might be better off linking STL with cities east of DEN to start, MCI MSP DFW OMA and add some eastern legs like IAD LGA ATL and Florida. Get established in the market on routes that DEN can't accomodate geographically and raise brand awareness in STL. Then fill in with a few flights that overfly DEN.

Worth looking into.



Next Up: STL-LGA-RIC-ATL-STL
User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25289 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1958 times:
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Lambertman:

Yes, all the LAX routes have been below system average, but improving. However, at least based on the fares offered on Travelocity/Expedia, etc, STL/LAX would seem to be the weakest.

Here are some summations on the cc (check out the fleet numbers and asm growth in the first one):

http://finance.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=7082112&tid=frnt&sid=7082112&mid=17166

In this next one they expressed confidence in LAX, and again said that 38% of growth would be there and 40% from DEN, with the remaining 22% from "existing cities" - especially mentioning Mexico:

http://finance.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=7082112&tid=frnt&sid=7082112&mid=17172

Based on other scraps from the table, there is still no DOT decision on STL/CUN, and the problem with STL/LGA is slots at LGA - hen's teeth.

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1887 times:

Thanks for those links mariner, interesting stuff. I would guess that CUN will become a major player in the F9 system in the coming future....


User currently offlineAtcboy73 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1835 times:

Is Frontier running commercials on TV in the STL market?

I have talked with the National Air Traffic Controllers Rep at the STL tower many times and she says that airport management keeps saying some other airlines are waiting for the new runway to open up before starting new service.



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