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Huge Increase In Flights By NW At Pellston Mich  
User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3727 times:

This is one of those summer destinations, and with the new terminal now open at PLN, NW will implement a huge increase in flights this summer, especially the weekends. The increase will also include a daily ARJ flight. The weekends will have the biggest increase in capacity, with Saturday and Sunday seeing 6 CRJ's and 1 ARJ. Weekdays will have 4 CRJ's 1 ARJ and 2 SF34's.

NW remains to be the only airline serving this non towered airport.

The most impressive part about this, IMHO, is PLN will be all Jets on the weekends.

flt 3768 dep DTW 8:45am arr PLN 9:57am CRJ (Daily)
flt 2762 dep DTW 10:07am arr PLN 11:32am SF3 (x SAT,SUN)
flt 3728 dep DTW 10:10am arr PLN 11:20am CRJ (SAT,SUN)
flt 3407 dep DTW 11:51am arr PLN 12:58pm ARJ (Daily)
flt 3797 dep DTW 3:05pm arr PLN 4:15pm CRJ (Daily)
flt 2773 dep DTW 5:00pm arr PLN 6:28pm SF3 (x SAT,SUN)
flt 3732 dep DTW 5:00pm arr PLN 6:10pm CRJ (SAT,SUN)
flt 5809 dep DTW 7:20pm arr PLN 8:30pm CRJ (SAT)
flt 3759 dep DTW 7:20pm arr PLN 8:30pm CRJ (SUN)
flt 3727 dep DTW 10:20pm arr PLN 11:29pm CRJ (Daily)

[Edited 2004-05-28 20:17:06]

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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4358 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3489 times:
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Cool, it seems like NW has been adding more flights/upgrading alot. NW recently added a 2nd CRJ into ALO.


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User currently offlineElectraBob From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 931 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3398 times:

Looks like many people will be heading up to Mackinac Island for the 4th of July weekend...... and the few remaining seats will be gone before July 1 gets here. Almost all DTW-PLN flights were completely sold out today.


01JUL THU DTW/EDT PLN/EDT‡0

1NW/XJ 3407 P9 F9 Y0 B0 M0 DTWPLN 1151A 1258P ARJ 0 DCA /E
H0 Q0 V0 L0 T0 K0

2NW/9E 3797 Y2 B0 M0 H0 Q0 DTWPLN 305P 415P CRJ 0 DCA /E
V0 L0 T0 K0

3NW/XJ 2762 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 DTWPLN 1007A 1132A SF3 0 XJS DCA /
V0 L0 T0 K0

4NW/XJ 2773 Y1 B1 M0 H0 Q0 DTWPLN 500P 628P SF3 0 XJS DCA /
V0 L0 T0 K0

5NW/9E 3768 Y5 B4 M2 H0 Q0 DTWPLN 845A 957A CRJ 0 DCA /E
V0 L0 T0 K0

6NW/9E 3727 Y2 B0 M0 H0 Q0 DTWPLN 1020P 1129P CRJ 0 DCA /E
V0 L0 T0 K0

NO MORE-1* FOR CONX



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User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3357 times:

That is pretty impressive. Maybe this will help their chances of regaining ORD service.

User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3325 times:

Well, I am no fan of NW, but it's a much better bet heading "up north" than risking your life on I-75 with all of the lunatics going 85+ mph in SUVs pulling boats on tailors.


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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3290 times:

Hey Maiz..I found a 78 North Central timetable in the basement last week and TVC and PLN had 14 departures a day the summer of....half of em were model 50's and I don't mean Rj's. ALSO..went thru DTW yesterday around 6pm and counted 24 NW birds in new colors(excluding Canadairs)parked at the A. NW is parking more ARJ's at the A. I counted 5 parked there around 6 30pm.
safe



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User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3258 times:

but it's a much better bet heading "up north" than risking your life on I-75 with all of the lunatics going 85+ mph in SUVs pulling boats on trailors.

Got that right!


[Edited 2004-05-28 22:28:22]

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7505 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

You mean Ford F-250 Diesel club cab dual rear axle's with a couch, ATV, BBQ grill pulling a 26 ft Sea-Ray with a Jet-Ski on top doing 85 mph up I-75. Ah yes, the madness. I'm supposed to head up there this weekend, thus why I'm not leaving until about 9pm tonight.

Yeah, NW has been parking most of the Arvo's on the north inside alley of A since CRJ's are using most the gates on B now during certain flight banks.

PLN sure is a unique market, it is extremely high yield with the communities in the tip of the mit and they've got virtually no competition up there. I knew that it was going to be all-jet on the weekends, but I didn't know that they were even getting an Arvo. Offering First class into PLN, impressive. Largest aircraft since I believe it was North Central breifly flew DC-9's in there back in the late 70's. In the winter, traffic sharply drops off and it goes back to 3 daily Saabs and 1 CRJ. I've flown that route in the winter before and those flights rarely have more than 10 -15 people. In the summer, especially the weekends they're packed.


User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3171 times:

PSU,
are you heading to Harbor Springs? Stop by the airport, they have been pretty busy with Bizjets today, even a Falcon 2000. I am going to try to get up there for some photos when I head back to TVC in a few weeks...

Information as of 5/28/2004 8:42:10 PM GMT
FlightID: N151GR (General Aviation Jet)
Status: IN FLIGHT
Owner: GUTHY-RENKER AVIATION LLC
Ground Spd: 487 kts Altitude: 38,700
Type: F2TH (Dassault-Breguet Falcon 2000)
Origin Apt: UDD BERMUDA DUNES
Dest Apt: MGN HARBOR SPRINGS
Departed: 12:16 PM PDT (1916Z)
Original ETA: 06:36 PM EDT (2236Z)
Calculated ETA: 06:38 PM EDT (2238Z), In 1h 49m
Dist Fm Dept: 711 nm Dist To Dest: 886 nm


[Edited 2004-05-28 22:52:15]

User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3127 times:

When I was with Great Lakes, we flew the 1900 during the winter up there in the ORD-PLN-CIU market.. in the summer we'd have strictly ORD-PLN turns on the Brasilia 3x a day.. our 7A flight from ORD to PLN was always full (from UA's red eyes).. I believe just below Lakes pulled out of ORD (as UAX, pre divorce days) the flights were routed thru TVC or MKG on the 1900...

-nate


User currently offlineJamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2665 times:


I am a child prodigy of the 1970's and as a kid I was so fascinated with large jetliners servicing small-town airports in America. My dad worked for United while I was growing up and I remember passing through Chicago and Detroit and seeing North Central DC-9's and Convairs departing to destinations such as Kalamazoo and Pellston. I also remember watching Ozark's DC-9s darting off to small towns in the midwest from Chicago...Waterloo, Cedar Rapids, etc.
In my adult life I have become a collector of postcards of small town airports that feature what were then known as the local service airlines. Every once in a while a postcard pops up on eBay of a North Central DC-9 parked on the tarmac in Pellston. I always get outbid on that particular postcard. Being an aviation buff, I can honestly say that it warms my heart to know that places like Pellston, MI are at least receiving regional jet service. I grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area and lived in a suburb of San Francisco that had a small general aviation airport. It was in Concord, California. As I kid, I used to fantasize about commercial airliners landing in Concord. My childhood fantasy came true when PSA started flying into Concord in the mid-1980's. It was such a beautiful sight to watch a PSA BAe-146 on final approach into my hometown airport. I was literally living a dream-come-true. To this day, I think the 146 and its later derivative, the Avro, is the best regional airliner in its class. It has a nice wide cabin appeal and doesn't feel constraining the way a CRJ and ERJ feel to me. PSA was taken over by USAir in the 1980's and it was so amazing to me that one could fly FIRST CLASS on a BAe-146 from Concord to LA. They would actually serve a beautiful pasta salad with prawns on the one hour and fifteen minute flight to LAX! So, I can relish in your delight of witnessing an Avro fly into Pellston with first class service! Only a fellow aviation buff can understand the turn-on!



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User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3886 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2535 times:

As PSU mentioned, the majority of the avros are parked now on the A concourse. We operate out of gates 59, 61 and 63 and Mesaba rampers and agents work the flights. A memo to the pilots a few weeks ago indicated in June we will occupy 2 more gates (presumably 57 and 55) and no longer park on the B concourse.

As far as PLN goes... I hope I see a PLN turn in my schedule sometime this summer... looks like it will be fun flyin'!


AZJ


User currently offlineAGrayson514 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 396 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2478 times:

With that new terminal (its really nice by the way, its like a huge ski lodge) I hope that PLN see's some additional service from chicago. Possibly AE, UA, or C8 (Chicago express, don't know their two digit code). I know quite a few Chicagoans who vacation in beautiful northern Michigan.

~ Andrew Grayson



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7505 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2472 times:

Emmet County went all-out on the new terminal in PLN. It first opened last fall but there is still some detail work being completed, such as a new parking lot (free parking), landscaping, and repaving the ramp area outside the airline terminal. Plus a nice restaurant on the 2nd floor is set to open this summer. There is also an observation deck on the 2nd level that overlooks the entire field. The terminal has the feel of a northern Michigan lodge. Its seems like a private airline lounge with stuffed chairs, couches, large TV's, etc. Both gates have regional aircraft jet-bridges.

As for now NW Airlink (Mesaba station) with both XJ and 9E flights is the only airline servicing the airport. Service to Chicago in the future again is very possible, however;

ORD is a nightmare right now with the massive congestion, again. While there is no slot system, both AA and UA have been asked to limit the number of flights to reduce massive cluster#@$'s. Mostly its all the RJ's causing the mess. So for the time being neither airline will likely dedicate the flights, and aircraft to a small outstation like PLN, where they are flying RJ's into major markets still. If either airline still were flying props out of ORD or have available "slots" then they probably would. Given the situation at ORD, its unlikely for non-stops to PLN. One-stops continuing from either TVC, GRR, or GRB could be possible, but for now it seems they aren't focusing on smaller markets out of ORD. I still can't believe that either AA or UA has service from ORD to FNT!

As for C8, they would be possible too, but they don't have additional aircraft and they aren't planning to expand anytime soon. MDW has its own problems with congestion too. C8 winter loads would also be horrendous out of PLN. Since they don't serve TVC, they'd probably look there before PLN.

NW owns Michigan, especially many small airports in Northern MI. In the future its possible for seasonal or year-round Saab service to MSP.


User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2451 times:

NW owns Michigan, especially many small airports in Northern MI. In the future its possible for seasonal or year-round Saab service to MSP.

Not only do they own Michigan, but it seems they also took over Wisconsin and Minnesota. I've flown NW twice and loved it both times. I love the DC9's.



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User currently offlineType-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4931 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

NW owns Michigan, especially many small airports in Northern MI......
".....but it seems they also took over Wisconsin and Minnesota


They got most of these routes through the buyout of RC. Almost all of these were old NC routes. Appleton, Menominee Falls, Green Bay, Ironwood. All former "Route of the Northliners". Herman was a very popular guy in these parts!



Fly North Central Airlines..The route of the Northliners!
User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

Almost all of these were old NC routes. Appleton, Menominee Falls, Green Bay, Ironwood.

Menominee Falls??? Thats a suburb of Milwaukee and doesn't have an airport. I'm talkin' places like Wausau, Eau Claire, Appleton, Green Bay, Madison, Milwaukee, Grand Rapids, Flint, Alpena(?), Sault St. Marie, Rochester (MN), etc....



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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2357 times:

Maybe he means Menominee, Michigan, and made a slight error. We do that, you know. The were served by Herman.
safe



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User currently offlineType-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4931 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2311 times:

Whoops... I meant Manitowoc, rather than Menominee Falls. I think. I'm getting old and haven't flown in that area in years! At least I got the others right! Maybe.......

NC was one of my favourite airlines! I used to spend hours in their part of ORD in the 60's and 70's watching the CV-580's and DC-9's come and go.






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