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AA191: Listen To Pilots Conversation  
User currently offlineFlysaa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5373 times:

Listen to the crew's final conversation, click here to download:

http://www.airdisaster.com/download2/aa191.shtml

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User currently offline747buff From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 742 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5163 times:

That is actually a recording of ORD's ATC watching the take-off/crash. As I remember reading, the plane didn't have much info on the CVR because when the engine departed the a/c it took most of the electrical power with it.


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User currently offlineFallout01 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5102 times:

That's ATC at ORD.

I think the only thing they got from the CVR was "Damn!" or "Oh Damn!"


User currently offlineUa777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

Why would anyone want to listen to a man/mens last moments??? This is very sad and I think this post should be deleted. If you want to listen to it so damn bad go out and look for it don't advertise it!

UA777222



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User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4958 times:

Some of the clips i have heard at this site are shocking, but they need to be heard to show how people cope in these circumstances.

i am into this part of the av world, so i listen to em and see what i can tell then read the report and see what it says.

If people did not want them listened to, why would they be on a website like airdisaster.com


User currently offlineClrd2go From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4837 times:


I think the worst one I've ever heard was a DC10 which attempted to land
on a closed runway at MEX..horrible.


Jim



What a long strange trip it's been
User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4681 times:

Ua777222:

"Why would anyone want to listen to a man/mens last moments??? "

I think I want to listen that recording since I'm an aviation fan, not because I enjoy listen someone dying but I want to know everything related to the industry, so calm down...this forum is to learn and know more about planes.
 Big grin



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User currently offlineCMB320 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 413 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4587 times:

Is there any video footage of AA191? I've yet to see any.

Thanks


User currently offlineTristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4541 times:

I agree w/Jim about that Western DC-10 CVR audio. Horrible. Reading some of the transcripts of other crashes makes you glad that you DON'T get to hear it... The Lauda 767 crash is a bad read, as is the PSA 727, and Fine DC-8 crash. Bless all of 'em.


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User currently offlineFallout01 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4422 times:

UA777222:

I share your feelings of horror, and here's my take on the matter: we humans (for the most part anyway) are terrified by the idea of our own deaths. It's the great unknown that faces us all, and to hear it happen to someone else, to hear their final moments might in some way be illustrative to us on a very visceral level.

I listened to all the CVR recordings on the web site mentioned...most were too degraded to be discernible, but the few that were discernible were chilling. Will I bookmark the site? No. Do I ever want to listen to them again? Definitely not.

Years ago, when I was flying for the Army, we were doing a night exercise. One of the ships in the scout squadron flew into terrain and I heard it all...including the pilot's last words and other utterances. Those last moments played over, and over, and over in my head...but do you know what? They made me grateful to be alive, and they damned sure made me a far more meticulous aviator. They pretty much made a young and self-described "immortal" pilot become a sensible one.

There will always be those sick types that get some kind of thrill out of hearing such things (as Walter Mathau said to the bimbo in Fail Safe..."I know your type!") but that doesn't mean that we should delete posts or remove references...if nothing else, hearing those CVR recordings served as yet another reminder to me to make sure that I'm as thorough as I'm expected to be this weekend when I fly.

Those tapes will be on my mind, so, if that makes me safer in the skies then I applaud Flysaa for starting the thread.

Regards.


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4277 times:

UA777222, I also believe that this should not be removed. We all know what is being provided, so those that either don't want to listen, or who cannot deal with it, can just move along and not open it. But these CVR tapes are important to many people, as they can give clues as to what went wrong, or how pilots deal with extreme situations. No pilot wants to be in such a situation, but hopefully we can learn from past tragedies and do our best to avoid them in the future.


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User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4122 times:

Not to be contrary..but people don't listen to them for enjoyment. They listen out of curiosity--and there is nothing wrong with that, the tapes are not sacred.

I was particularly captivated by some of the calls from the 9/11 planes. There is a certain humanity in hearing the desperation of the situation. It brings a human face to what was an overwhelming event.

Wrong? Absolutely not.
Sad and eery? Without a doubt.

Frankly, if you don't like them, just don't listern. It's not public radio.


User currently offlineType-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 5042 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3823 times:

UA777222:

As noted earlier, these recordings come with warnings letting you know that they may be "disturbing" to some.

Actually, they are educational and not entertainment. Why do you think that the NTSB makes crash reports public? Why does the AOPA and Flying magazine publish accident reports? Why are their binders of "incidents" on hand at the airlines pilot training centers for pilots to review?
The education part is learning by others mistakes. A accident is almost never a single incident. It's always a series of incidents that brings the aircraft down. By learning how to handle all possibilities of incidents that can possibly happen makes for a safer pilot. You learn to avoid the same circumstances that others have fallen into.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3497 times:

This is very sad and I think this post should be deleted.

Grow up  Yeah sure


User currently offlineSpeedbirdHeavy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

Why would anyone want to listen to a man/mens last moments??? This is very sad and I think this post should be deleted.

Shouldn't you be out at your church's media indecency crackdown demonstration or something?



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4815 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3250 times:
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Has anyone heard the ATC tapes of the final moments of Alaska 261? Now THAT was eerie. Not only do you hear the pilots final transmissions to ATC, but you also hear two other aircraft in the area watching the event unfold and reporting everything to ATC.

Not to be contrary..but people don't listen to them for enjoyment. They listen out of curiosity--and there is nothing wrong with that, the tapes are not sacred.

I agree.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3112 times:

Has anyone heard the ATC tapes of the final moments of Alaska 261? Now THAT was eerie


Too right, that was downright chilling!  Wow!

"And he's just hit the water.
Uh, yes sir, he's just hit the water... he's down
"  Crying

http://www.jetphotos.net/cgi-bin/countdown/countdown.cgi?asa261.wav


User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2991 times:

Now that was a freaky one.

Im just off to look at air diaster.com and the faa website to see what happened to this plane.


User currently offlineCanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2878 times:

The NTSB website has a computer simulation of AS 261 that was a sobering one to watch. You can hear the pilots struggling with the plane and see how they were able to initially regain some control, only to lose it in the end.

These tapes are important for educational reasons, knowing what actions and reactions were taken in the immediate aftermath of an accident help us understand how to keep them from happening again.



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User currently offlinePhilsquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2783 times:

As a professional airline pilot, I have no problems at all with the CVR. If there is anything that can be learned and implemented to prevent another similar type accident, I am all for it.

Interesting to note the disclaimer on the website. No one is forcing anyone to go and listen. The printed transcripts are all available from the NTSB, so what is the difference?


User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4503 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2619 times:

One that I found particularly bad is USAir 427. What makes it worse is hearing the friendly conversation just before the crash occured. Horrible.

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