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DL May Go 2x Daily ATL-GRU  
User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6730 posts, RR: 24
Posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2937 times:

DL has asked the DOT for a transfer of its dormant ATL-GIG (Rio De Janeiro) frequencies to use them for a 2nd daily ATL-GRU (Sao Paulo) flight. If permitted, DL would start the 2nd daily flight around 12/1/2004.

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf89/282445_web.pdf

I guess DL feels that only ATL can support more GRU service. I was kind of hoping DL might be more creative and launch JFK-GRU or FLL-GRU.

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User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2879 times:

Good for Delta.

It's always good when U.S. carriers open up or re-activate international routes.



Tort reform now. Throw lawyers in jail later.
User currently offlineTokyoNarita From Palau, joined Aug 2003, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2871 times:

They wish they had more B777s.

TokyoNarita.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2856 times:

I bet DL wishes they had M11s or 777s, but 2x763 ATL-GRU is better for the public.

I have lots of friends that work at DL's route authority legal counsel, Shaw Pittman... I used to live across the street from their office. Thought you'd all want to know.

N


User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2826 times:

That's not really surprising considering ATL's Latin American community is growing by leaps and bounds. Wish them luck!


Ah, Summer, Fenway Park, Boston Red Sox and Beer.....
User currently offlineCessnaLady From Mexico, joined May 2004, 310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2783 times:

More than Atlanta's Latin community, it is the fact that ATL is the most important hub for DL. Actually, only a small percentage of passengers come from / go to Atlanta.

ML


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

It is not too surprised about DL and it is very good to get second daily from ATL-GRU.

User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2729 times:

CessnaLady: That USED to be true up until a few years ago. ATL is still DL's primary hub, but more and more Latino's are flying these days out of ATL. But, there still is connecting traffic from other areas, North Florida, South Georgia and some lower mid-west cities come to mind.  Smile


Ah, Summer, Fenway Park, Boston Red Sox and Beer.....
User currently offlineTokyoNarita From Palau, joined Aug 2003, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2727 times:


I think it's cargo that Delta is going after..more than passengers.

TokyoNarita


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2718 times:

Interesting move - double daily to GRU. I wonder if the double-daily service will open up more or additional connection possibilities.....most flights from the US to Brazil travel overnight to take advantage of reasonal departure and arrival times, I wonder what DL has in mind.

I think this case is proof that DL has outgrown its 767-300 fleet for many international services......and with the MD11s out of service and DL making the decision not to add anymore 777s to the fleet for the near-term future (all remaining 777s on order will be sold, leased or orders cancelled), DL is stuck with operating most of its long-range flights with the 763s - which are great aircraft but small for key routes in/out of the ATL mega-hub.


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2661 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2607 times:

I so wish they would have considered this opportunity to make a SkyTeam focused flight for this need. Going DTW-CVG-GRU-CVG-DTW one plane and one flight number on a 763. Having the flight carry NW and DL codes would be really strong.

Too bad I'm not a route planner  SmileB4


B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

Why bother when NW can and already does send its pax on DTW-IAH/EWR-GRU, and DL can route its pax via ATL?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33278 posts, RR: 71
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

I was kind of hoping DL might be more creative and launch JFK-GRU or FLL-GRU.

It would be very interesting, but I think Delta just wants to play it safe. A second ATL-GRU is a sure bet. Going against JAL, AA, and Varig at JFK or trying out an FLL non-stop is much more of a risk. MIA-GRU is a huge O&D market (6 daily non-stops), but I wonder how many would take the option of FLL. I personally think CVG-GRU would be a safer bet for them than JFK/FLL-GRU.

That's not really surprising considering ATL's Latin American community is growing by leaps and bounds. Wish them luck!


It has little to do with the Atlanta areas Latin community. Firstly, Brazil is technically not in "Latin" America (it's an often debated subject, though). Secondly, rapidly growing means little in raw numbers. The Latin community is still small compared to most other major cities.

I'm thinking that the new flight might be a daylight service. Increasing aircraft usage (ATL-GRU would still have to use only two aircraft instead of four) and opening up new connecting oppurtunities.




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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2459 times:

Yeah, they need to know about DL. They did make second daily from ATL-GRU in December 2004. Besides, I am still need to know about them with more flight to Brazil flight. They are very busiest airport in the world. Is that plans to use with B777 or B767-300ER?

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7632 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2439 times:

This is great news for DL. At this time, UA and AA are stronger than DL to Brazil so this move should put DL back in the game.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33278 posts, RR: 71
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

This is great news for DL. At this time, UA and AA are stronger than DL to Brazil so this move should put DL back in the game.


American Airlines offers 55 flights a week into/out of Brazil from Miami, New York City, Dallas, and Asuncion, to three cities in Brazil, Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, and Belo Horizonte. United and Delta have a long way to go to get back into the game.



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User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2097 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

MAH4546, you are right. I also don't think the Brazilian gov't would allow it. CO and DL fought vigorously over rights into the New York Area in 1996.

You are right about all the competition from JFK to Brazil. Then there is CO from EWR.

GRU-GRU is a safe bet.


User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2097 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2201 times:

Correction, I meant to say ATL-GRU.

User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2172 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2151 times:

I heard JL was losing a lot of passengers NRT-GRU because of that stupid new rule that forces these passengers to have visas for the US transit. Any updates on this? Is JAL going to maintain the flight via the US? I know RG dropped their NGO flights because the loads plummeted.

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