FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6050 posts, RR: 25 Posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2046 times:
DL has asked the DOT for a transfer of its dormant ATL-GIG (Rio De Janeiro) frequencies to use them for a 2nd daily ATL-GRU (Sao Paulo) flight. If permitted, DL would start the 2nd daily flight around 12/1/2004.
Texdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1266 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1988 times:
Good for Delta.
It's always good when U.S. carriers open up or re-activate international routes.
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 3, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1965 times:
I bet DL wishes they had M11s or 777s, but 2x763 ATL-GRU is better for the public.
I have lots of friends that work at DL's route authority legal counsel, Shaw Pittman... I used to live across the street from their office. Thought you'd all want to know.
Iflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1935 times:
That's not really surprising considering ATL's Latin American community is growing by leaps and bounds. Wish them luck!
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CessnaLady From Mexico, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 307 posts, RR: 5 Reply 5, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1892 times:
More than Atlanta's Latin community, it is the fact that ATL is the most important hub for DL. Actually, only a small percentage of passengers come from / go to Atlanta.
Iflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1838 times:
CessnaLady: That USED to be true up until a few years ago. ATL is still DL's primary hub, but more and more Latino's are flying these days out of ATL. But, there still is connecting traffic from other areas, North Florida, South Georgia and some lower mid-west cities come to mind.
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Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 9, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1827 times:
Interesting move - double daily to GRU. I wonder if the double-daily service will open up more or additional connection possibilities.....most flights from the US to Brazil travel overnight to take advantage of reasonal departure and arrival times, I wonder what DL has in mind.
I think this case is proof that DL has outgrown its 767-300 fleet for many international services......and with the MD11s out of service and DL making the decision not to add anymore 777s to the fleet for the near-term future (all remaining 777s on order will be sold, leased or orders cancelled), DL is stuck with operating most of its long-range flights with the 763s - which are great aircraft but small for key routes in/out of the ATL mega-hub.
B4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2595 posts, RR: 6 Reply 10, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1716 times:
I so wish they would have considered this opportunity to make a SkyTeam focused flight for this need. Going DTW-CVG-GRU-CVG-DTW one plane and one flight number on a 763. Having the flight carry NW and DL codes would be really strong.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31122 posts, RR: 74 Reply 12, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1633 times:
I was kind of hoping DL might be more creative and launch JFK-GRU or FLL-GRU.
It would be very interesting, but I think Delta just wants to play it safe. A second ATL-GRU is a sure bet. Going against JAL, AA, and Varig at JFK or trying out an FLL non-stop is much more of a risk. MIA-GRU is a huge O&D market (6 daily non-stops), but I wonder how many would take the option of FLL. I personally think CVG-GRU would be a safer bet for them than JFK/FLL-GRU.
That's not really surprising considering ATL's Latin American community is growing by leaps and bounds. Wish them luck!
It has little to do with the Atlanta areas Latin community. Firstly, Brazil is technically not in "Latin" America (it's an often debated subject, though). Secondly, rapidly growing means little in raw numbers. The Latin community is still small compared to most other major cities.
I'm thinking that the new flight might be a daylight service. Increasing aircraft usage (ATL-GRU would still have to use only two aircraft instead of four) and opening up new connecting oppurtunities.
ScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1568 times:
Yeah, they need to know about DL. They did make second daily from ATL-GRU in December 2004. Besides, I am still need to know about them with more flight to Brazil flight. They are very busiest airport in the world. Is that plans to use with B777 or B767-300ER?
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31122 posts, RR: 74 Reply 15, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1411 times:
This is great news for DL. At this time, UA and AA are stronger than DL to Brazil so this move should put DL back in the game.
American Airlines offers 55 flights a week into/out of Brazil from Miami, New York City, Dallas, and Asuncion, to three cities in Brazil, Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro, and Belo Horizonte. United and Delta have a long way to go to get back into the game.
AF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2083 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1260 times:
I heard JL was losing a lot of passengers NRT-GRU because of that stupid new rule that forces these passengers to have visas for the US transit. Any updates on this? Is JAL going to maintain the flight via the US? I know RG dropped their NGO flights because the loads plummeted.
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