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Is JetBlue Trying To Kill Off Song And Ted?  
User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2987 posts, RR: 14
Posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7373 times:

While JetBlue may not be moving too aggressively against Ted, it seems that they are really trying to start to hunt Song down. They've been offering a $59 one-way sale fare between BOS and MCO, TPA, FLL for quite a while now, and come November, they'll be adding a 5th to MCO and 3rd to FLL. Song matched the sale fare (golly gee, really?), but I'm trying to think: Is Song's CASM low enough that they can make a profit with such low yields? Also, out of JFK, JetBlue is offering $69 to FLL, MCO, TPA, and PBI. I wonder why they didn't include RSW.

On a lighter note, JetBlue is offering IAD-FLL at $49 one-way (that's as much as JFK-SYR). This is a brand new route for Ted (it's actually brand new in the United system), and they did end up matching it. I highly doubt that Ted is making money off such low yields either.

Does anyone know why JetBlue all of a sudden decided to drop fares and go on an all-out war against Song? JetBlue, IMO, is not the type of airline that attacks other airlines intentionally, but instead goes its own way and does its own thing.

Any thoughts?

JetBluefan1


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 977 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7282 times:

You could also view it as a fight for survival  Big grin..... just a thought

User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2452 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7282 times:

Is JetBlue Trying To Kill Off Song And Ted?

I thought it was the other way around!!!


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25280 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7262 times:
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"JetBlue is not the type of airline hat attacks other airlines intentionally..."

Um - they did start LGB/ATL - which was perceived as an attack by both Delta and Airtran to ATL/LAX.

And JetBlue did start the transcon wars, especially JFK/OAK. Remember when AA matched fares on that route - and then pulled out?

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7249 times:

One more note about jetBlue and when is begin added with more flight from BOS-MCO/FLL? What date will able to add more new flight? Thanks!  Smile

User currently offlineJetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2987 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7235 times:

Um - they did start LGB/ATL - which was perceived as an attack by both Delta and Airtran to ATL/LAX.

But it shouldn't have been taken that way. ATL-LA was long overdue for low-fare service.

And JetBlue did start the transcon wars, especially JFK/OAK. Remember when AA matched fares on that route - and then pulled out?

That was more or less AA's fault. They serve SFO with lots of flights anyway, why would they need OAK? To intentionally compete with JetBlue, of course. I think JetBlue's sales to OAK was to stimulate traffic or make a buzz.

JetBluefan1



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25280 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7172 times:
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JetBluefan1:

"But it shouldn't have been taken that way. ATL/LA was long overdue for low-fare service."

Um - sorry, again, but I think AirTran would argue that they were providing that.

"That was more or less AA's fault."

Ah - not quite. Just as JetBlue doesn't fly into LAX but into the LA area, it doesn't fly into SFO, but into the Bay Area.

The JFK/Bay Area flights were a huge ATM for AA - for another airline to fly JFK/Bay Area was a direct attack on AA's piggy bank.

I'm not criticizing JetBlue - good luck to 'em, it was time someone shook things up - but you said they didn't attack other airlines.

I don't think that I agree.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4506 posts, RR: 33
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7112 times:

Actually, AirTran only announced service on the ATL- LA Basin market after JetBlue did. AirTran had been looking at the market, and JetBlue's announcement only speeded up their process. But FL wasn't serving the market when B6 announced.

Isn't the Florida market weaker during the summer? Maybe JetBlue is stimulating demand to fill capacity. Yes, Song certainly isn't going to make money on those fares. Delta as we know doesn't publish separate figures for Song, but the New York Times has said Song's CASM is probably over eight cents.

It hasn't been JetBlue's style to "go after" other carriers; they just look where travel is terribly overpriced--like transcons--and offer a good product at a far better price. That raises the question, shouldn't they just move a/c to increase transcon frequencies during the summer, when demand in that segment is strongest? Maybe someone else has more info.

Of course a specific move against Song is possible, but it's unlikely that JetBlue's exceptionally low summer fares are more than a step to keep planes on the Florida routes filled during the summer. And JetBlue is probably at least breaking even doing so.

Jim



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User currently offlineJetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2987 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7044 times:

"But it shouldn't have been taken that way. ATL/LA was long overdue for low-fare service."

Um - sorry, again, but I think AirTran would argue that they were providing that.

"That was more or less AA's fault."

Ah - not quite. Just as JetBlue doesn't fly into LAX but into the LA area, it doesn't fly into SFO, but into the Bay Area.

The JFK/Bay Area flights were a huge ATM for AA - for another airline to fly JFK/Bay Area was a direct attack on AA's piggy bank.


Mariner,

There's a difference between going into an overpriced market and attacking an airline. Both ATL and OAK were because of overpriced markets. LGB-ATL was made to lower fares. Yes, it may have also been to cut a bit into Delta's pockets, but I'm sure that was not the prime reason. Also, JetBlue wouldn't have entered the market if AirTran was already flying it.

As far as the Bay Area, you can't really call it an attack. NYC-Bay Area is a VERY popular route, and JetBlue saw money there - afterall, it's one of the biggest cities in the U.S. As New York City's low-fare airline, JetBlue decided to bring those low fares to the Bay Area. You can't really call that an attack on AA, especially today where transcon flying is MUCH cheaper than four years ago.

But hey, Mariner, I see what you're saying and you do bring up valid points.

Isn't the Florida market weaker during the summer?

It's weaker, but not weak of course. July and August are absolutely huge for Florida (especially FLL as people have to connect to cruise lines). But their sale fares really don't extend much into those months - it's mostly June.

JetBluefan1



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User currently offlineCx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7039 times:

I must say B6, is one of the best airline I have travelled and I think compared to other LCC they are the best. I mean just because you are LOW COST it doesn't mean you remove good service and snacks!!!

It is 10 times better than AA and I think if they expand the Nth American network, I will definitely choose them rather then the horrible AA.


User currently offlineF4N From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7025 times:

To all:

It would make sense for JetBlue to try and deal with its' less well established competitors before it inevitably has to deal with WN.

Only room for 1 at the top; both JB and WN know it. Just a matter of time.

regards,

F4N


User currently offlineAsteriskceo From United States of America, joined May 2004, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7019 times:

Aren't all airlines trying to kill eachother!? lol

User currently offlineJetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2987 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7006 times:

It would make sense for JetBlue to try and deal with its' less well established competitors before it inevitably has to deal with WN.

That would make complete sense if Song and Ted weren't a part of Delta and United - perhaps the most established carriers out there.

JetBluefan1



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25280 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6940 times:
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Jetbluefan1 and DCA-ROCguy:

Ah - you both got me - but not by much!

JetBlue announced LGB/ATL on 18/02/03. Airtran announced ATL/LAX on 03/04/03.

Remains true about JFK/Bay Area. The truth may be one thing - the perception of what is true is something else.

Whether JetBlue intended an "attack" or not, that's how it was perceived - an attack on AA's piggy bank.

As I say, goood luck to 'em.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineF4N From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6887 times:

JetBluefan1:

It makes sense for JB to go on the offensive against Song and Ted whether they are part of well-established carriers or not. If JB can render either one or both unprofitable, UA and DL will jettison them with alacrity; they will go the route of Metrojet, United Shuttle, CO lite, Delta express ect...

F4N


User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3179 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6764 times:
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jetBlue is trying to pull the rug out from underneath song while song is still in a weak position. It is not jetBlue's style to "attack" an airline, but its more for the sake of competition- welcome to the USA where capitalism prospers!

song is in a very weak position right now, and jetBlue knows it. The logic, I believe, is to attack the weakest while they are hurting, and if they can ruffle the feathers of someone else while they are at it (Ted), then all the better. Neither jetBlue, song or Ted have particularly deep pockets (even back to the parent airlines, Delta and United), with jetBlue being in the best position of the three.

Ted doesnt yet have a loyal following from Dulles yet, and one can only expect jetBlue to try and protect the loyalty base they have worked hard to maintain. And in no way do I suggest anything against Ted, but I think jetBlue will maintain its loyalty base without much effort.

As for song... Its really hard to look at song and not get confused. For lack of a better way to put it, I dont get that airline!! But it is no lie that they are struggling, and Deltas pockets only run so deep. The cutbacks in frequencies have started (i.e. EWR) so jetBlue KNOWS song is in trouble. Its like the lion waiting for the perfect time to pounce- well, this is the time, and jetBlue is too smart to not take advantage of it.

I do believe this is just the beginning of an intense LCC war out of Washington, DC- but I also believe it will not be long before the weakest of the three drops. I dont wish that upon any employees, but I do think that is how it will play out.

Just my $0.02
Ben


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6746 times:

Isn't the Florida market weaker during the summer?

Weaker, yes, but not significantly. Only PBI and RSW are heavily seasonal.



a.
User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3179 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6737 times:
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MAH4546,

I dont know if I would go as far as to say PBI is seasonal. PBI sees a lot of excess flow from people who couldnt get a cheap FLL flight-- RSW is definately seasonal, but PBI stays about as consistant as FLL does.

JBLU


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6639 times:

Correct! This is alot of those flights day will given them. It should competition of Song. It is good to move for new service out of FLL-OAK anytime soon and how much longer will begun new service to OAK? They need to make beefing up more people are flying into the this summer.

User currently offlineScottb From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6764 posts, RR: 32
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6568 times:

Just from my own observations, BOS-Florida does indeed tend to be very seasonal. The summer is quite slow and the traffic drops off significantly. AA offers seasonal non-stops to several Florida cities (aside from MIA) in the winter and spring from BOS, and most of those ended recently. I've always gotten excellent deals to travel to Florida from Boston pretty much from May through October. You can fill the planes, but you have to drop the fares quite significantly to do so.

My feeling about Song reducing capacity at EWR is that it has far, far less to do with jetBlue and more to do with Continental. DL and CO are partners now, and CO has very competitive seat mile costs with the 757-300's to Florida. EWR and JFK are far enough apart (time-wise) to be almost completely different markets under most conditions. And some of that EWR capacity was redeployed into an additional BOS-PBI flight, so clearly Song sees that as being a good route. I mean, one could easily view a long-running sale between BOS and Florida on jetBlue as being a sign of weakness in the market as well; after all, why would you be dumping all that capacity at low when you have fewer seats to offer?


User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6494 times:

I must first say that I love JetBlue and think it is an awesome airline, BUT they are in no position to "kill" Ted or Song. Ted and Song are part of major airlines that could take down JetBlue on any route they fly. What I think B6 is doing is just making some money! They are making money on these routes and I don't believe that they are taking away from any other carrier, all they have done is make fares cheaper which is what would have happened anyways with Ted or Song. Like has already been mentioned above, B6 is not very good at trying to wage a war with other airlines (ATL) they are still pretty small and don't have the money to ride it out like the majors. If one of their aircraft is on a route that is not making money because there is a fare war they have to stop and find a different route and not tie that a/c up. With a major, as long as they are breaking close to even its fine because its not taking up there last aircraft that they could be trying on route that has the possibility of being more profitable. What I am trying to say here is that it is hard for a smaller airline to go to war with a larger airline because the larger airline can stick it out a lot longer..... (I made that way to confusing!)
Now while were on the subject, I think B6 is growing way to fast. They have far to many a/c on order and I hope they are careful. This has been the downfall of many airlines...



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User currently offlineKieso From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6347 times:

I believe that jetblue is trying to destroy any competition that comes it's way! I believe B9 wants ALL of JFK to them selves. Yes, they are bring lower prices, but at the expense of thousands of US jobs!

I believe WN is different then B9 because of the way they structure their flights to compete with other carriers, not take over. And I've flown both carriers with no regret. I do believe WN has far better customer skills then B9. You can't make that up with PTV's!

This is just my opinion. Last time I started a topic like this one I got an e-mail from airliners.net telling me not to do it again! I enjoyed reading this and believe there should be more. What's wrong with having an opinion or debate?






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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6294 times:

Personally, I think B6 could kick WN's ass. David Neeleman used to work there and knows some of the tactics they use. Mr. Neeleman has a formidable advantage.

User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6258 times:
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When B6 gets about 400 more airplanes, then maybe they'll be able to hang with WN. For know B6 is like a yapping dog that you just want to kick.


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User currently offlineJetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2987 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6222 times:

For know B6 is like a yapping dog that you just want to kick.

You - as in AA and DL, right? And if you kick him, he'll bite you, right?

JetBluefan1



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25 Jetblue15 : Jetblue is not trying to kill anyone. I can assure you that. We have nothing to worry about as far as Song and Ted.
26 Tango-Bravo : Hmmm... possibly a case of role reversal? How short some memories seem to be. It was Song who was by the knee-jerk reactionaries who purport to manage
27 CoTXDFW777AA : "Personally, I think B6 could kick WN's ass. David Neeleman used to work there and knows some of the tactics they use. Mr. Neeleman has a formidable
28 Jeffie813 : PBI is definitely not "heavily" seasonal. you see a small drop off in traffic, but nothing significant. typically the reason for passenger drop offs i
29 ONT 737 : AIRTRAN 737, "When B6 gets about 400 more airplanes, then maybe they'll be able to hang with WN. For know B6 is like a yapping dog that you just want
30 Scottb : Jeffie813 says, "typically the reason for passenger drop offs is only because of reduced frequency, not because there isn't demand for it." Have you e
31 F9Fan : I don't think B6 targeted DL/Song or UA/Ted. If anything, it is the other way around. Currently, the only route UA/Ted and B6 compete directly is the
32 Cloudy : What the majors used to do to force out any competition was to flood any market directly competed with more flights and cheaper service. ------ They s
33 Mark777300 : I hate to say this, but B6's $59 fares are nothing new. I got that deal a few years back, way before Song ever came along. Whats wrong with competitio
34 AirlineFanatic : Unlike the creation of Song - to drive JetBlue out of the NE - FL market, B6 is not trying to kill anyone off... it has simply been a by-product of a
35 Elwood64151 : If B6 is just a little yapping dog, what does that make FL? I would say a little pussy cat. Here are some YTD numbers for you through April..... Reven
36 ONT 737 : Elwood64151, Look I was just putting things into perspective for a person who called B6 a "yapping dog". You are looking into this a bit much. I reali
37 Post contains images Kieso : True or not, The "yapping dog" thing was great! I love that some of us have a sense of humor.. "PLEASE" keep it up! Just remember, it's airline busine
38 LGB Photos : We(jetBlue) are not trying to kill off Song and Ted, they are killing themselves off. We are just assisting them with helping them get into their grav
39 Aa777mia : Yup, stand back when the E190 comes, cause there will be no stopping us...
40 Post contains images GKirk : Dont you love all this squabbling on a.net about how Airline A is better than Airline B, and airline C is better than A and B put together
41 Ual777contrail : LGB PHOTOS, You guys will never kill off a major, and you guys will always be a minor. UAL 777 CONTRAIL
42 GKirk : "You guys will never kill off a major, and you guys will always be a minor." Right, they'll just do that by themselves eh?
43 Jetbluefan1 : You guys will never kill off a major, and you guys will always be a minor. Always be a minor? You may want to rethink that...revenue wise, JetBlue wil
44 Erikwilliam : Hey guys, U all have good points, but my question is:Isn´t Jetblue(maybe) opening new routes with lower fares, so they can use their new EMB-190´s n
45 LGB Photos : The A320s will mostly be used for long haul(coast to coast) while the EMB-190 is going to be used for short haul(JFK-CLT) for example. UAL 777 CONTRAI
46 Kieso : I think Jetblue will kill themselves off when they find out what Airtran had to learn the hard way! Regional aircraft ARE NOT low cost aircraft. Plus,
47 ATL2CDG : JetBluefan1: It's called capitalism.
48 Jetbluefan1 : Regional aircraft ARE NOT low cost aircraft. AirTran did this with 50-seater aircraft, thus taking in less revenue that JetBlue's E-190's, and if I re
49 Fallout01 : "Song" and "Ted" deserve to die...stupid airline names SHOULD NOT be allowed the opportunity to breed! God only knows what they might spawn in a merge
50 Rampero : And trying to kill off North American Airlines from Aguadilla (BQN) too. NA BQN-JFK-BQN $416.30 round trip B6 BQN-JFK-BQN $276.80 round trip Rampero
51 Post contains images Kieso : Remember the Tucker car company that got killed by the BIG THREE? Jetblue vs. American, Delta, and United! Well we'll have to see .
52 LGB Photos : Kieso- Hmmm....United, not far behind US Airways in the dying dept. Delta........well they have hired lawyers to look into their situation and well...
53 Cloudy : Remember the Tucker car company that got killed by the BIG THREE? ---- Remember Toyota, Nissan and Honda who handed the "BIG THREE" their asses when f
54 FlyKCRW : This notion of one airline (usually an LCC) "attacking" or "stealing business from" another airline (typically an established legacy airline, possibly
55 TomFoolery : Since Jet Blue was pretty much the first of this type of LCC at JFK, it would seem that what B6 is doing is purely a defensive move. B6 had many of th
56 Richierich : Ted is a moronic idea that will go the same way as Song in the long run. To UAL777, as the UAL supporter you clearly are, you had better hope that Ted
57 Erikwilliam : Amazing words RichieRich, just beautiful. UAL777, why is that U can´t get the point of the thread and took it personal?!?!? Dude, UA is bad in the po
58 Richierich : The problem with airlines like UA and DL is that they have been patting themselves on the back for so long that they have forgotten how to fight. They
59 OttoPylit : RichieRich, Just to remind you, Song has not been killed off yet. And the year is half over. How much longer before we hear about it again? I'll check
60 Jetbluefan1 : Richierich, Very well said - 100% agreed. If JetBlue weren't here, Song would be Delta (Express?), with the cramped seats, tiny planes, delays, etc. F
61 Kieso : Who said that Delta Express died? How come people always put them in with the airline within a airline group that didn't make it? Actually, they did g
62 Maiznblu_757 : In sarcastic layman's terms... Jetblue wants to keep Song and Ted around, so they can all share the money and be wealthy little airlines.
63 Kieso : Jetbluefan1, aren't you being one sided? Anything could happen, just watch!
64 FlyKCRW : OK Kieso, thanks for the entertainment.
65 Kieso : Just trying to keep it real. Remember I know I'm NOT always right!
66 Ua777222 : Unlike Jetblue Ted and Song both have major airlines to back them up with larger fleet and more expearecne. They too have routes that are more accessi
67 Post contains images Kieso : You know, Ua777222's right.. WAR:
68 Richierich : Otto, don't start this again. I know Song is still here but I still think they are going away soon. It basically comes down to how long Delta is willi
69 Kieso : Read up on Song, They are making profit! Delta and the pilot contracts are Songs only problems. That will be fixed soon enough.
70 Jetbluefan1 : Jetbluefan1, aren't you being one sided? Anything could happen, just watch! I guess I may be a bit biased as I am a JetBlue stockholder, but there are
71 LGB Photos : lgbphotos, Your an arrogant little shit, embarrass myself? I'll let you know when I do, nope didn't happen. Operating revenue? You have no clue. Becau
72 FlyKCRW : jetBlue is a great company with a bright future. Delta has been a good company, that hopefully will have a future. United is...United. In any case, I
73 LGB Photos : Well said FlyKCRW!! If we drop the ball, it is on us...........but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
74 Erikwilliam : Hey Kieso, why don´t U try to take a look at RyanAir. It just started as a small Dublin carrier and now..... Same with B6 man, they just started as a
75 UAL777 : FlyKCRW, I do not know much about Song, but Ted's load factor's have been at a steady 88% since launch and a UA rep. stated that it was far exceeding
76 AirTran737 : I don't think that B6 is in any position to kill off Song or Ted. While B6 may be the darling child of the industry (for now), they have shown that th
77 Modesto2 : I beg to differ with those who think B6 is faltering... JetBlue is very much in a position to challenge Song and Ted. B6's route structure aligns more
78 LGB Photos : Also it is Song who has decided to try and copy B6 and fly the a lot of the same routes. New York - Florida in general is a gravy train for B6.
79 AirlineFanatic : Re: AirTran737 "ATL slaughter of B6" B6 was breaking even on ATL routes unlike FL (with leasing aircraft) and it is unclear how DL was doing with all
80 Post contains images NonRevKing : Same tired ol' stuff... Song was created to hold Delta's market share in it's stronger markets while Jetblue was gaining ground. Song was NOT created
81 Post contains images NonRevKing : It basically comes down to how long Delta is willing to hold on to it and its losses. Song = RED INK. According to the Wall Street Journal, Song made
82 ATA767 : Where did you get you info that Song is losing money, Rich? Your "inside sources"? Great song is making 2 million while the company that owns it Delta
83 Highflyer16 : The smart airlines (like Southwest) have figured out that the way to make money in this business is not to "kill off" other airlines but to provide ne
84 NonRevKing : ATA767: Someone says something counter to reality, they should be corrected. Regardless of the parents financial situation, Song is making money. This
85 Uadc8contrail : i beg to differ with those who think B6 is faltering... JetBlue is very much in a position to challenge Song and Ted. B6's route structure aligns more
86 Modesto2 : Cost structure extends far beyond pilot wages. Enough said.
87 Jblake1 : Will Jetblue have IFE on their forthcoming EMB 190's???
88 B6FA4ever : Jblake1, yes, our E190's will have the same IFE as our A320's. ~B6FA4ever
89 LGB Photos : jetBlue will have the same IFE on the EMB 190s that are on the A320s and that will be added this coming fall.
90 Jeff G : NonRevKing, Song may well be making money in some manner of speaking. They can claim that and noone can gainsay them since they don't break out their
91 NonRevKing : I dont know how else to say this. You can grey it up all you want...blah blah blah. The Song operation was profitable last quarter, as was reported in
92 Jeff G : Oooohkay. And as I just pointed out, we have no idea what that means. None at all. So unless Delta releases information that shows exactly how Song is
93 Jfklganyc : Not that I want to enter this debate, but . . . if Song were making money, why did all the expansion stop? what happened to more aircraft? what happen
94 Ord : "if Song were making money, why did all the expansion stop? what happened to more aircraft? what happened to all the "buzz"? why hasn't there been a p
95 NonRevKing : if Song were making money, why did all the expansion stop? what happened to more aircraft? All plans have been stopped during Delta's strategic evalua
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